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So some old fights with Shang is why you believe the Cat is better than Danny, bsdm?

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His history is why I believe he's a peer.

Finger poking Cyke.

Impaling Deadpool on his own sword.

Stalemating Shang three times.

Stalemating Iron Fist.


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Finger poking Cyke.


When Scott was preoccupied with Deadpool.


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His history is why I believe he's a peer.


His history is very much lacking when compared to Danny.

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Finger poking Cyke.


The Cat did a pressure point chop on Cyclops from behind, and while Scott was battling Wade. Every elite MMA fighter knows pressure point techniques, especially when given a free shot.

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Also all it means is that they are 1-1, because previously Scott optic blasted the Cat into a ko.

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Impaling Deadpool on his own sword.


He did own Wade a couple of times during that Arc. But Wade was fanboy crushing over him, and not fighting to par. Still this is probably the Cat's best feat in modern times. So he does have a legit win over Deadpool.

He also has a legit loss to Taskmaster where he was two-shotted.

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Stalemating Shang three times.


Shang has gotten better since then, but the Cat doesn't have the feats too match. Also, the Cat was Shang arch rival back then so it makes sense that they were more or less portrayed as equals during that time.

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Stalemating Iron Fist.


So the Cat has 1 stalemate and 1 lopsided loss to Danny.

sad Not a lot there for the Cat to build a case as being equal to current Danny. This is a surprising stance from you.

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Cyke knew Cat was right there when he turned on them.


This isn't proof Cat had help. It's proof Cyclops is an idiot.


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Yes, but he wasted his blast (and most of his fighting stance) on Wade, which gave Shen the perfect opportunity to KO him.


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Yes, but he wasted his blast (and most of his fighting stance) on Wade, which gave Shen the perfect opportunity to KO him.


yeah also Cyclops wasn't expecting to fight the Cat right there. They were on the same page for a brief moment there.

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SM, Taskmaster is Meta though. He can double speed and everything.


He's the guy Osborn sends after Deadpool, and even gives Spidey problems. Essentially, he's an amped Midnighter.


Not sure if Shang Chi ever fought him, but I bet he wouldn't do all that much better, assuming Taskey is well written (A copycat with double time speed really SHOULD be stomping elites)


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yeah also Cyclops wasn't expecting to fight the Cat right there. They were on the same page for a brief moment there.


Even if he expected to fight them both... I can't agree with cd that he acted like an idiot... he targeted the guy who drew his sword on him --- it makes perfect sense.


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Even if he expected to fight them both... I can't agree with cd that he acted like an idiot... he targeted the guy who drew his sword on him --- it makes perfect sense.



You think Wade did that out of the blue?


I think he started drawing during Cykes ominous speech, and not before.


"I don't trust you."


*During words*.


(Oh shit, thems blasting words. Betting take out ol' stabby McStab)


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Doesn't matter "who started it".

Drawing his sword still made him Cyke's priority.


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Doesn't matter "who started it".

Drawing his sword still made him Cyke's priority.



But see, starting its what makes him an idiot.


Not targeting the immortal guy with the sword, but engaging him when Bruce Lee's rival is standing right next to him.


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But see, starting its what makes him an idiot.


Not targeting the immortal guy with the sword, but engaging him when Bruce Lee's rival is standing right next to him.


Cyclops didn't have a reason to expect an attack from the Cat at that specific time. They all was sort of working together to stop Cable, at least a momentary truce. Deadpool was the one who made an aggressive move by unsheathing his sword, that's why Cyclops blasted it in response. Makes a lot of sense according to the story.

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SM, Taskmaster is Meta though. He can double speed and everything.


He's the guy Osborn sends after Deadpool, and even gives Spidey problems. Essentially, he's an amped Midnighter.


Not sure if Shang Chi ever fought him, but I bet he wouldn't do all that much better, assuming Taskey is well written (A copycat with double time speed really SHOULD be stomping elites)


Taskmaster could only go double time in the Udon suit for the exact reason that he doesn't possess meta stats. His body couldn't handle the stress of prolonged double speed without it. For instance Taskmaster while copying Elektra's moves couldn't keep up with her speed.

If anything, Midnighter is an amped Taskmaster.

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I don't think Udon suit was the thing that enabled him to do it.

But it's true he learned and did that trick only in that book... watching videos sped up twice their normal speed... and was capable of short bursts of such speed only, as he has human limitations.


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If we really want to argue whether or not there was a chance he used it against Shen, we should check if the Madripoor tournament happened before or after Taskmaster's Udon book.


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I don't think Udon suit was the thing that enabled him to do it.

But it's true he learned and did that trick only in that book... watching videos sped up twice their normal speed... and was capable of short bursts of such speed only, as he has human limitations.


I didn't mean it enabled him, but it allowed him. Without it he would immediately die from just trying it. Even with the Udon suit he could only do double speed briefly, before breaking every bone in his body or passing out.

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If we really want to argue whether or not there was a chance he used it against Shen, we should check if the Madripoor tournament happened before or after Taskmaster's Udon book.


Well as we can see in my previous link, the Udon suit is different and distinct from Tasky's normal costume. And below we see that Tasky wore his usual costume when he beat the Cat. So I don't think its even necessary to compare the timeline of those books. IIRC Tasky has never even attempted double speed without wearing the Udon suit.

https://imgur.com/Ys07fzE

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But what proof you have that the suit had anything to do with it?

Unless it was stated, it's just a guess.


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the whole pure skills debate for fictional characters is stupid

to judge pure MA skills you need to put 2 people on exact same physical attributes and power to get a clear answer, no 2 people have same exact stats, you are basically arguing fugazi


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the whole pure skills debate for fictional characters is stupid


[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Everything we discuss on KMC can be seen as dumb as f*ck, lol.


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