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StiltmanFTW
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ahh, I'll tell you in 5 years Stilt. Up, up and away!

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The answer is, cannot be done.

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Astner
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You would get stomped with the strength, speed, stamina, energy projection, intelligence, and durability of Surfer (all are significantly below Superman).

Not even close.

Superman might have the edge in physical strength, because the Silver Surfer hasn't really shown strength on Superman's level, then again when you have the Power Cosmic at your finger-tips you can rearrange reality without ever having to touch it.

But there are a plethora of ways for the Silver Surfer to defeat Superman. Turning him into salt, creating Kryptonite, blasting him with red stellar radiation, tearing the solar radiation out of his cells similarly to how he tore the Hulk's gamma-rays in The Increadible Hulk #250, etc.

And it's not like like Superman can do much to someone who's barely fazed by Thor striking him in the face full-force with Mjolnir.

You may well make a case for that Superman would win against e.g. the Hulk, because Marvel superheroes aren't as well-rounded: Superman being significantly faster, able to fly, able to use Heat Vision, etc.

But when it comes to cosmic characters like the Silver Surfer the tables turn.

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And the stips doesn't allow you to use the same character more than once for each attribute

I think the issue she's getting at is the fact that there's no limitation to what characters you can and can't use.

You don't have to construct the weakest version able to beat Superman, nor are you limited by a particular tier (e.g. Heralds), so technically you could pull from the Beyonders, Celestials, and Abstracts.

Thor, Hulk and Hyperion all have feats that rival some of Superman's best. Which is one of the three main attributes Superman has going for him, the others being durability and speed.

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lawest9
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I would like to see a scan of Surfer taking a full powered hit from mjolnir in his face.

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Astner
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I would like to see a scan of Surfer taking a full powered hit from mjolnir in his face.

I'll have to concede this point because I misremembered. I thought he hit him with Mjolnir when he dented his head in but it was a headbutt.

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Sep 3rd, 2022 04:15 PM

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I'll have to concede this point because I misremembered. I thought he hit him with Mjolnir when he dented his head in but it was a headbutt.

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Ok, Thor bloodied himself with that headbutt and I believe that is the same story arc where Odin did the same to Galactus, headbutting didn't serve father and son too well in that arc. laughing out loud

Sep 3rd, 2022 04:28 PM

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I've never seen Silver Surfer turn Thor or Hulk or Thanos into salt.

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I've never seen Silver Surfer turn Thor or Hulk or Thanos into salt.

Or anything else for that matter.

Sep 3rd, 2022 05:16 PM

Astner
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I've never seen Silver Surfer turn Thor or Hulk or Thanos into salt.

No, but the big thing about the Silver Surfer is that he's a pacifist. Thor and Thanos are magic users and Thanos further has access to technology that shields him from cosmic threats.

But I could definitely see the Surfer turn Hulk into salt, just like Dormammu did. Tehnically he turned him into crystal, but the point remains.

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Sep 3rd, 2022 05:18 PM

StiltmanFTW
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Dormammu is much more powerful than Surfer.

It happened in his realm, too.

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Astner
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Or anything else for that matter.

He's transmuted things before.

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Dormammu is much more powerful than Surfer.

It happened in his realm, too.

The point is that the Hulk doesn't have any inherent resistance to matter transmutation.

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Look up Quasimodo for Surfers greatest feet.

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The point is that the Hulk doesn't have any inherent resistance to matter transmutation.

Your point is wrong as fuck, then.

As the Hulk has a whole history of resisting transmutation.

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Astner
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Your point is wrong as fuck, then.

As the Hulk has a whole history of resisting transmutation.

What kind of feats are you referring to?

Sep 3rd, 2022 05:58 PM

StiltmanFTW
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Mad Thinker and Grey Gargoyle, most importantly.

Kitty Pryde tried phasing him into the ground and that didn't work, either. Beast credited it due to his unique physiology.

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