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nickjs21
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which makes you wonder, if the humans gain control over the matrix, what do they do with it? of course, i suppose that's already been mulled over a thousand times, but it really makes me wonder.
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Aug 10th, 2003 04:35 AM |
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Nickjs21> Assuming the on-line game is about the battle FOR control, I suppose we’ll have to play the accursed game to find out. But if mankind wins, I suppose they’ll unplug everyone in there. Then perhaps the table turns, and the machines fight the humans for freedom?? And so on and so forth endlessly?
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Aug 10th, 2003 02:28 PM |
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If neo woke everyone up at the same time. The whole human race would DIE.
They would need food and shelter. None of which can be found on the earth in its current condition.
If you remember M1 the people are eating the liquified remains of the dead. And as far as shelter is concerned, the pod protected them from all of the elememts.
So Neo would have to keep the matrix going inorder to slowly rebuild the earth into a more of a suitible place to enhabit.
They would need the machines help inorder to rebuild the earth, as the oracle stated in M2.
Side Note: The machines are not really the humans enemy. If you think back to The Second Renaissance, Parts 1 & 2 The machines really wanted peace, but all the humans wanted to do was make war out of ignorance and fear.
The oracle and The Architect came to the humans many times trying to make peace. They were denied everytime by the humans.
The oracle and The Architect were the robots wearing formal dress to the hearings (The machines were shells for the two programs. The main programs for the Oracle and the Architech were still in M1).
The Architect was wearing a top hat and holding a apple.
If you notice after the humans were defeated by the machines, the Architect was wearing black and holding another red apple. At that point he was not a peace maker, but a judge of humanity.
Another side note: M1 is located in the Middie East in the same location as modern day israel.
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Aug 10th, 2003 05:24 PM |
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Oh and to add to my last post. The people who live in zion are called Zionist. As in the Jewish Zionist Movement. So The W Bros are dealing with curent issues in all three of the matrix movies.
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Aug 10th, 2003 07:53 PM |
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Urot> As for the sidenote: How do we know that Renaissance I and II is the truth? And why do you think the Architect and the Oracle were present in those stories? They were programs created later for the Matrix system.
None of us know where the machine main-frame for the Matrix is today. Do you really think the machines have stayed in Zero-1? Why should they? The machine main-frame may as well be in China, South America or Australia.
And as for Zion. It’s an ancient name for various parts of Jerusalem (which has been destroyed countless times), Judah, and all of the surrounding lands. In the Christian Bible it’s also used as a metaphor for the people of God at various periods. So I can’t see, how calling a city Zion, means that the Wachoski-brothers are dealing with any “issues”.
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Aug 11th, 2003 03:14 PM |
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nickjs21
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he's probably referring to the zionist movement dealing with getting the israelites a land of their own. but you're right about the history of the word.
in EITHER CASE, it's irrelevant to the question. make a new thread for the side notes, urot.
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Aug 12th, 2003 05:52 AM |
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i think really what's going to happen is..humans r going to have to find some balance between their needs and the machines' needs.....Neo will be the key to that!!!
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Aug 12th, 2003 09:57 AM |
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nickjs21
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i think you're probably right.
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Aug 13th, 2003 04:03 AM |
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What if there is a matrix inside of a matrix? What if the whole saving zion business is just another means of control? I think that the "real world" is just another matrix. They think they're free, but in reality, they are still slaves. It's just there to keep them busy so they won't escape and the machines are still in control.
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Nov 10th, 2003 03:39 AM |
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No possible way to unplug everyone....
i still dont get how machines managed to plug lets say 3 billion if not more, but hey...
how many nukes did they throw....if this happened as morpheus says at the end of the 20th century...e.i. 1999, and then its close to 2199...shouldnt have sky cleared a bit at least...
one possible thing is to re-build the world from the people already unplugged...but the sky is still scourched, so.....they wouldnt survive anyway...
baicly....their best option is to stay plugged, so it seems......
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there isn't, take it from me, i used to be the most obsessive about that, but its not real...Also, Zionism is/was a movement for Jews to obtain a land of their own, and, based on biblical references, the place where 01 was IS contained in that area. And i think 01 and the machine city are the same, i mean, it makes sense that the "cradle of life" would also be where life was assured...
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