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He's got some feats that scream PC. Busting out of the Phantom zone, the speed force, smashing the source wall, his immunity to magic, speed-blitzing 3 flashes, the 'Retcon Punch', his retcons of the DCU,
If he's not Pre-Crisis, I don't know what is. Granted, he's not way out there "Pulling planets with a chain" or "Breaking the barrier of existence with speed" level of PC, but he's Pre-Crisis for sure.
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All Im saying is that pc kryptonians had way better feats than that. I mean come on, pc superman was destroying realities with his speed alone... Superman-prime has never done that... nor has he blown out a sun...
Even in countdown, he was only 'approaching pc kryptonian levels. He is 'precrisis' by default, in that he was not retconed like everyone else, but he was retconed. If not he would have just sneezed.... and THAT would have been the crisis...
Now, use your head, and tell me what PC is supposed to mean for Prime. Is it supposed to mean ridiculous showings? Because all of Prime's showing are ruled out as ridiculous, because they are consistent (and, it's not like his showings are too over the top anyway...). Plus, he's not PC, as he was introduced during the Crisis...
His showings supposedly being ridiculous, doesn't make him PC...
And PC Superman ranged from blowing away a solar system, to getting KO'ed with a hunk of wood.
Well, I stated that his memory of and before the crisis remained, thus that would make him by default 'precrisis'. But what I was saying was that his highest feats were not even comparable to mid-feats of pc superman.
However, I do see your point concerning the low showings, inconsistancy, and all out ridiculousness of the original silver age superman as opposed to Superman-prime. His showings are more consistant.
But really all that I was saying was that he is not anywhere near the high feats of pre crisis superman. And yes he did have some VERY low feats, but at the same time, he had some feats that were EXTREMELY high that outwieghed the low ones.
How do high feats outweigh low ones?
The only way that works, is if we choose the 'pick and choose' method.
And the mere fact that you said "some" in that part, tells me you weren't talking about how many good feats he had, but rather how good his high feats were.
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On another note... what the hell is this supposed to mean?
"Not pc... He is maybe 5 percent pc normally... and 20 percent pc in countdown as far as feats go. Still ridiculously powered though."
I see what your saying. And now that I think about it, I actually was wrong about that. It should be the number of feats instead of the intensity thereof. However, to my knowledge, there were more high feats than low ones, though it was very close, given of course the writers used next to no 'actual' physics in the storylines.
And really... that last part. Well, my point was that he is far below the silver age superman in the way of feats. But I'll admit... it did seem... inaccurate. lol.
1. Altering reality with a punch while not at full power(and his full power is nothing on what it is now).
2. Surviving universal destruction(if he is in Final Crisis I mean).
3. Moving planets like chess pieces.
4. Breaking out of the Speed Force while under a Red Sun.
5. Immune to high level magic.
6. B!tched Mxy.
7. Speedblitzing three Flashes, while he hasn't had any yellow sun in over a year while being under a Red Sun.
Prolly more I can't remember.
And dude, chill the hell out, it's an internet forum.
So much wrong with what you posted. Let's deal with it one at a time:Because he is an otherversal anomaly who was between the planes of reality. That happens a lot in comics. You ever read 'Thor Corps?' The villain, Demonstaff, was in a Marvel analogue of where Superboy Prime was in and whipping his staff around, hurting Eternity and changing history and future. Scans at a future date. Besides, PC Superman didn't even change history with his fists.Yay. So did a teary-eyed Monitor and his lil plant. Gasp! PC-powered plant is going to pwnzorz the 'Final Crisis!'Superman-1 can move planets. Your point?Wrong. He was never "inside" the Speed Force. The speedsters took him to an alternate earth and kept him inside a room that had red sunlight in it. Then he somehow stole Monitor armor and was gone. Never exactly shown on panel how he did it or the circumstances surrounding it.Which magic is this? Black Adam's punches? Whoopee.Wrong. Other way around, if you read the comic you'll notice that Mxy essentially plays a cruel joke on him. And if anybody was messing up Mxy it was Annataz's magics, not Superman Prime. Read the comic again.He had the power suit, and he ran away from the speedsters... Being trapped within a red sun for a year or day doesn't make a difference as long as he had his power suit feeding him after he got out.Try properly remembering the instances you're listing a little bit more carefully before remembering other things, k?
And I'm just here to edumacate you. Sorry if using a @%&* has offended your innocent lil mind.
By Superman-1 you mean Current Supes? Because I don't recall seeing Supes move a planet...at least not when normal.
And...about being in the right place at the right time about the retcon punch...I find it unlikely because Earth 2 Supes punched the very same wall and nothing happened.
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