Well, it comes to this. Can a GL ring do anything against Imperiex? Imperiex is about at Galactus, and I think that Quasar has stalemated Galactus before.
And if i'm not mistaken, Quasar returns after that and battles a Maelstorm anomaly version then battles him being the avatar of Oblivion and won...
Aquarian's power is to nullify power....so? Could you honestly say Gl won't either?
solidified willpower.....er....doesn't it come from the source or something and didn't someone who could tamper with the Em spectrum just tampered with a GL energy before. Willpower is probably just the catalyst to access the power of the ring and if it was indeed willpower, they wouldn't need to recharge it with their lanterns considering willpower comes from one's self. Maybe it's just a rumor but i'll research on it.
And also, Quasar has manipulated other energies that are not from the EM spectrum. He has against anti-matter, power cosmic, magic, an infinity gem, etc.
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Thank you. They just don't get it. He is one of the most powerful characters. Period. His powers are kind of simple, but with a little thought and creativity, he is bad as hell.
If this is true, why was Hal Jordan able to fire the green energy at a specific velocity to cause it to shift to yellow, and break through the shield of the yellow power ring?
In other words, why did the gren power behave like "light"?
I guess this is why these two didn't go at it in JLA/Avengers, no one would agree on the outcome, I can't come up with a single point why either of these guys should, win I see them just cancelling each other out. I mean it's the classic story of physics (quantum energy) vs metaphysics (emerald energy) you tell me... but I'm sure your guess is as good as mine. I would pull more on the side of the quantum zone because it seems to be more a limitless power source, but the thing is neither of these guys are immortal... a true test of the bands vs the ring is to give the ring to somone that can stay awake for months like Superman, and give bands to someone like Thanos who doesn't require rest either and see who wins, using only the objects in question, and not all of their power... the ring would run out of juice far and the bands wouldn't. I am still pondering over which one is more powerful, I have seen Lobo, and big blue break out of the rings power, and saw Wonder Woman do the same to the Q- bands... I just keep coming up with short term stalemate long term Q-bands win.
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and? how exactly does any of that contradicted anything i said?
no, not lots of beings at one: the creature from promethea (project prometheus? -- i could check the name later) was able to dissolve his shields and aura with something like acid. quantum was able to constrict it and eventually ko him with physical force. that weird triangle guy sliced through his shields. jack of hearts ko'd him while both were inside a quantum sphere. d'urge sliced through his shielding. it was more his attitude than his power that let him beat d'urge. ghostrider has done the same thing and dr strange dismissed d'urge as if he were meaningless.
the kinetic energy scan doesn't work. if he could do that, how'd maelstrom cut his hands off? the d'urge scan means that he could battle him. he didn't 'control' the energy of d'urge as he has with other foes. he was also held in the crimson bands and needed excalibre to get him out.
i never claimed gl would dump hi somewhere to win.
your watcher scans proved my point. he didn't win. he had a good showing. the watcher was an idiot and the stranger showed up. at the end the watcher kills himself.
entropy win was simply him out-thinking the creature. contemplator could have done the same thing. it had nothing to do with his actual power. a gl could certainly have been smart enough to do the same. that was plot driven, not power-based.
and the battery gathers willpower from all over the universe which the gl's use as far as the impurity, it was part of the rings, part of the battery. why wouldn't he be able to convert it to that if that's what he wanted? it's already in the ring and source.
you told me nothing new and showed nothing new. and beating galactus? so has alpha flight and doom, and . . . .
I checked MU master list for the obscure and can't find Promethea and D'urge but i'll check even more. Are you sure of the sp or the name, i can search their appearances.
As for GR, i can't recall anything he did against him considering he's one of his allies, even tried to avenge him while he was supposedly killed. But i'll review that.
As for Quantum and Jack of hearts. Those might be high showings for them cause Quazes owns them a lot... Quantum even tried multiplying
Dude, are you sure there's a d'urge or his name is d'urge. Maybe it's deathurge or just wrong spelling of his name. If it is Deathurge i already posted a link to a scan from him. Maybe Quasar was just caught off guard not to mention the fact that he's a high end herald by Anomaly. Anyway, how did you know it was a kinetic energy scan?
and as for Maelstorm not getting that treatment.. For the same reasons why Thanos W/ IG didn't work on him, because he was beyond the scope of their powers during that time. By gaining the state of anomaly, he was literally immune to anything they could dish.
i never say you did... that was merely a point to emphasize that attacks of that nature wouldn't really work on an energy manipulator of their level.
Quasar was owning him badly there and even bid for both of them to calm down. Just because he didn't finish the fight means that he can't w/o help from the Stranger. Stranger was even curious if he attacked the watcher and quasar replied that it was only in self-defense while the Watcher was on the ground kneeling. His showings against people like that are consistent and rightfully justifies his title as protector of the universe.
oh and here's his constructs lasting even remotely away from him without need to keep concentration showing it's difference from GL constructs - from rorscharc's respect thread
riiight, that's what they all say. It took brains and resolve to come up with a solution in that matter. The only earth GL i know who can ponder up a solution with that kind of problem would be John, Hal and Kyle are basically good for 1 on 1 confrontation instead.
No it doesn't. Energy comes from the source and Willpower is gathered by that energy for that use you've just mentioned. No where it states it's the same power they actually use for their usual applications.
and taking on the whole Squadron Supreme?
or defeating 4 other previous wielders of the quantum bands?
or absorbing ego prime?
or rachel phoenix back from his non-jobber, galactus pwning days?
(yes, scans are available for those from the Quasar Respect thread)
you saying that's generic and other can do it? Probably if their really up there in the scale. You can disregard anything that i post(as if you haven't), but that won't change facts here.
showed you nothing new?.....pffft
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you seem to be under the impression i'm attacking YOU. i'm not. but i ask the same question i asked horrificus -- have you READ the issues in question, or just used the respect thread? context is all-important.
joh ko's q right after that scan you showed of q absorbing him. after absorbing, q puts them both in a sphere to contain him, joh blasts and ko's him.
the aquarian issue is also where quantum ko's q. q beats him with aquarian's assistance.
and you're right -- by d'urge i meant death urge -- my bad -- just too long to spell all the time. and he is an energy being, but q cannot absorb him like he does other energy-type beings so d'urge is also outside his influence. the scan i was mentioning was labelled KINETIC ENERGY, so i thought that's what it was trying to show . . .
i'm unclear what you mean here:
<<and as for Maelstorm not getting that treatment.. For the same reasons why Thanos W/ IG didn't work on him, because he was beyond the scope of their powers during that time. By gaining the state of anomaly, he was literally immune to anything they could dish.>>
we could have a whole long discussion why the IG didn't work on maelstrom, and none of the explanations would make much sense. death, infinity and eternity were all under it's influence. why wouldn't oblivion be? anyway, that's a topic (and a good one) for another day -- or thread, at least.
i said he had a good showing against the watcher. impossible to say he'd have won alone. stranger did help him, and the watcher DID kill himself at the end. and the watcher WAS written abominably . . .
as for his beating the anomaly: point is the win wasn't power-based. given how he was beaten, batman could do the same. any gl written well could do it.
you're wrong about the gl energy, btw. read rebirth. the energy of 'willpower' is green, and willpower is gathered by the battery from all over the universe.
he held his own against a couple squadron guys. spectrum pierced his shields. when he realized how many there were he called for help. that's the thing with respect threads -- they don't tell the whole story.
he had a good showing against rachel -- didn't beat her. thor ko'd her with a shot -- absorbed the full bolt and blasted her with it, ko'ing her. thor>q as regards energy?
no sure what i 'disregraded'. i clarified and refuted. and no, there really was nothing new. i've seen the respect thread, i KNOW some of it is skewed and out of context. i can post some scans later of some of the things i said and about the creature that dissolved his shields..
yes i have. It's either Quasar #4 or West Coast Avengers#12 if i'm not mistaken. I never said anything about him not doing it. I said "it was a mighty high showing for him and jack of hearts to do that". I only posted the scan cause he was obviously at the helm of the fight till he tried to contain him.
and as we can see in the scans quantum has been bested there...
Yeah i got the impression of that. In truth, i wouldn't have question that but only because Deathurge is oblivion's herald and i don't really know if he's composed exactly of energy or whatever he is. What i do know is that he is really way up there as far as power level goes. I dunno about his tussle with Dr. Strange though but the doctor pwns people like that anyway. The one that i saw was with his appearance with Doc is getting a sneak attack at him but the arrow didn't manage to get past his auto shields.l
yeah i was a bit wrong with that. I wasn't in fact that he can't be affected but...
yep. I'll just put a brief summary quoted from marvunapp
Thing is though, if you look at the scans, Quasar could've finished him right there if not for the fact that he have to be good and let him recover to ask for a truce. And as for bad writing, quasar pwns people along with his state so i think it's pretty consistent he can do something like that otherwise he wouldn't really be worthy of his moniker.
It wasn't. But i never intended to place it here to prove a point anyway. considering both Maelstorm and Quasar in that issue (quasar #25) became respective entities of Infinity and Oblivion. But the issue prior to that, have him killed while quasar was on the astral plane and revealed in 25 also was an anomaly. And no, batman couldn't do the same under the same circumstance unless he had the assosciation with Origin, infinity and eon.
Once again, is that the same energy they use. They can gather all the energy all he wants but it doesn't mean it's the one that they've been using. It comes from the source then stored from the battery. The willpower is there to prevent Parallax.
I never said he did. And Thor is thor, i don't really see anything bad in what he did considering he's supposed to be an all powerful god and it's about time he did something to prove it.
But if you're saying thor>q in that department, prove it. But even if he is, that ain't so bad anyway considering mjolnir is a plot device unto itself
Skewed and out context?.......it's a friggin respect thread for christ sakes. Of course it's meant to hightlight Quasar and not his enemies.
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my problem with respect threads though is that they are taken as proofs entire. they shouldn't be. often there are extenuating circumstances about a scene.
anyway, you asked for a few scans to back up some of what i said. here's a few. i'd get more, but i'm too damn lazy.
first one shows he's useless against magic (not saying YOU said he could handle it, but someone else said that . . .)
here's that PEGASUS creature i mentioned (sorry, i knew i f'd the name . . .) eating through his shields. later he also eats through his aura but q gets out before any real damage is done.
this is against souleater -- a powwerful creature composed of psychis energy. another energy type q can't control or affect. he won by getting the souls the made him up revolt against souleater. q is clever and smart, no doubt.
this shows the 2 squadron members q faced before he called for mak to help him. spectrum does a good number on his shield. even whizzer causes some trouble . . .
and finally his twin defeats at warlock's hands where he says he is unable to control the soul gem energy. as further proof that it wasn't the fluke q said his first defeat was, warlock ports him to the mental plane and toys with him for a while before allowing him to return to the real world.
going through to find some scans DID make me realize i like q a lot. i still see no reason to think he could drain the ring. he has loads of trouble with any energy OUTSIDE the em spectrum, and the gl ring is outside. magic. anti-matter. psionic/psychic. darkforce. infinity gems (and yes, q says he can't drain or control the IG as well. i could scan it, but then i'd have to find it again . . .) the ring IS concentrated willpower, the same energy as in the battery and is outside the em range.
oh, and i found that issue where he blows thanos up. hardly a feat i'd put on a respect thread personally. the attack did less than nothing and in the next panel thanos is taunting q again.
far as i could tell, a big difference between the 2 is that a gl can matter manipulate -- q can't. that alone might be a deciding factor. and again, if spectrum can get through his shields and not get drained . . .
it's close. i always said it was. but i still give an edge to a strong gl.
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do you actually MAKE arguments, or are you just a cheerleader . . . i mean, slade, gs, six. it's . . . weird. i think whirly was getting at the same thing in a different thread but he didn't ask as politely as i am.
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