Wolverine would lose this, and when Hulk first fought Wolverine, wolverine couldnt cut the hulk but then the comic book comany was like hmmmmm i think people are starting to like this Character so lets make him look bad ass by letting him cut the hulk
EXACTLY!!!
Wolvie, as cool as he may be, can only win this due to bad and exaggerating writing.
I could take a handmade Katana forged out of titanium and try to cut through a wall made of gold (a really "soft" metal)...and would fail, not because the weapon is not sharp or durable enough, but because i would need superstrength to perform this stunt.
Does Wolverine have superstrength? I guess we all know the answer.
So there is no logical way for him to be able to cut Colossus OR the Hulk.
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And what would happen if you tried? the blade would dull as it's not as durable as adamantium wouldn't it?
And that's the real problem is the material and how sharp it is. and the resistences of the materials.
When you strike the wall of gold some of the force does indeed bend the metal blade. because if you hit it hard enough the sword would snap or bend wouldn't it?
Now if you were to use a material that does not bend nor break, then that force that bent or broke the sword would instead be applied to the wall.
And due to the aplication of force over a smaller area, it's not like you're trying to cut the wall with a baseball bat.
In the strictest sense of the word. . . Wolverine is listed as a 4, in strength, which according to marvel is superhuman strength. . . even if he has the basest, basest amount to barely make him qualify.
I don't follow. could you write out the steps to show "that logic" leding to the outcome of Wolverine starting off being able to cut the hulk, and eventually not being able to?
Never said he was. This isn't about skill, this is about druability.
I took Titanium and Gold because of their strong difference in durability!
Adamantium may be harder than Titanium but organic steel is also harder than Gold!
A titanium blade would not bend when any of us would hit a gold wall with it, because the STRENGTH we posses does not deliver the necessary force to do so.
The force applied to the wall would still not be enough to tear it apart...and it would not only be applied to the wall but also, if not to the "unbendable" blade, to the one who wields the weapon (you would feel it in your bones and in your back flung arms).
As long as the principles of physics are working in 616, the energy of a hit will NEVER fully be applied to the target!
The question would still be: Is this "basest" amount enough?
To cut something as durable as organic steel you would surely need much more than 1ton class superstrength and Wolvie is not even in THIS class.
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Last edited by wannabe on Sep 14th, 2005 at 04:52 PM
I'm not saying that Wolverine's claws CAN cut Colossus, or even that they should. I'm merely trying to explain why he is able to cut things with the force he has.
As these things happen in the comic books with a consistency that is not a one time shot like bone claw cutting thanos.
But the blade would dull. A bending of the material on a smaller scale.
Real world physics or comic book physics?
The basest superhuman strength is more than peak human, it doesn't need to be massively large, just more than peak human.
To be superhuman you simply have to be above the strength a human at maximum potential can achieve. This is accomplished through the adamantium. Being peak human before applying the admanitum. When Wolverine tears the mucle tissue it due to the high rate of cellular regeneration, the mucles heal much faster than a normal human. So his workouts are a bit more effective because they are faster. This would place him at peak human level. Then when you add the adamantium, you can brace the weight off of the adamantium skeleton and gain that extra boost that takes you just barely above peak human.
Anyway, once again, I'm not arguing that he can peirce Colossus's skin, or even his eyeballs. I was merely saying that Wolverine has peirced things that .45 calibre magnum bullets cannot. And that this fact also does not show that he can peirce collosus's eye as we do not know if this is a high level feat of durability, or if Colossus's eye can take much, much more than a .45CM bullet. . .
he is atleast second......man...he cant get no damn respect..well hes atleast 3rd if we count COTU, he is as good as captain...he just doesnt get the respect captain gets.
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