Well yeah you are right, but killing Jedi with a blaster stays damn amazing... I mean its just something that should never kill a Jedi and Nadd used it to kill not one but many Jedi.
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First off, proof of Sion killing people with bombs, poison gas, etc? Don't leap to conclusions, Glentract.
Second, that site is suspect, and considering KOTOR's notorious issues with accuracy (Proclaiming Naga Sadow the greatest of the Sith lords on Korriban, having tombs for SIth lords who didn't even die on-planet, etc.) I would not neccessarily put too much of my faith into the item descriptions.
Fishy, killing a Jedi with a blaster isn't too amazing. Clones trooper killed thousands of them like that.
Janus, Sion trained his troops in ways to kill Jedi without engaging them in main stream combat. Atton said that this was a way that made killing Jedi easy. Why would Sion be an expert in killing with bombs, gas ect. and then not utilize those skills when they are the most effective?
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Hmm dude... The clone troopers had superior numbers like the droids they also attacked from the back. The droids heavily outnumbered weak and phathetic Jedi... Nadd did it by himself... No support no overwelming surprise attacks.. No he killed them with a blaster in a one on one fight.
Obi-wan took out GG with a blaster. What I'm getting at is that being able to kill someone with a blaster doesn't mean he is going to be a pimp with a lightsaber or be able to kill Exar with that blaster.
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First point, the jedi were betrayed by the entire Grand Army of the Republic. This is a different scenario than being destroyed by a single "dark jedi apprentice" as people put it.
Second, there is NO indication that the Sith assassins used bombs or gas. Atton said they practiced methods to get closer to enemies. In particular, they cloaked themselves both visibly and in the Force (seeing as they sneak right up on the Exile and even Kreia in many cutscenes) and they use staff like weapons and lightsabers, not bombs or gas.
This is leaping to conclusions. You don't have a thing to support this idea, yet you assume and uphold it simply because it makes sense... to you.
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I'd also like to point out that Freedan Nadd instakilled King Ommnin, who himself was a potent Force user (and descedant of Nadd) who could successfully overwhelm and capture Arca Jeth. Nadd's teachings come from Naga Sadow himself, and the possibility exists that Nadd destroyed Sadow (Although the condition of Sadow before or during the time of the act is entirely open to question). I mean, this fight will be amazingly vicious and explosive, and I think Exar Kun has a chance of winning... But let's face it- Freedan Nadd's powers were immense. And he had a whole lifetime (Several actually, since he remained after death to instruct his descendants of Onderon) to practice Naga's dark arts. Exar Kun was a sith lord for a relatively short amount of time, and bound himself to the temple, effectively losing his freewill and later his sanity.
It seems reasonable that Nadd would be more formidable, even if in sheer Force powers.
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Atton used bombs, gas. Sion didn't. Leaping to conclusions. And Atton wasn't a rank and file Sith Assassin as depicted in KOTOR II; he was a special ops type, considered non-force sensitive. Despite their weakness, the Sith Assassins in KOTOR II are Force sensitive as Kreia says. They draw on the Force power of the nearby Force users.
Actually Kreia describes them like this "The Sith assassins drain the force to fill the hollow places where the force used to be" Obviously they are force sensitve... But appearantly they were losing some of their connection to the force. It became hollow and they needed to feed to fill it. Nihilus power. The Sith assassins in Kotor II are different then those that would have acted in the times of Kotor.
Still it matters not, the assassins were not all that was around and they had to fight as well. There isn't an assassin that could move without using a lightsaber. Sion would have to know how to use a lightsaber and he would use it too on many occassions.
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He wasn't. He didn't know Sion personally. And Atton was part of Revan's special ops, not the Sith Assassins trained at Malachor V under Sion, who was in turn under Kreia. And I'd like to point out that Atton doesn't know Kreia, Sion, Nihilus OR Revan personally. He was a low-level grunt for much of his career, and when he started to climb the ranks, word got out of him being Force sensitive. If he hadn't deserted, he might be a minor Sith character in the game.
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Next Nadd will suck because he used a blaster, Kun will suck because he didn't use Force choke, Vader will pwn because he's a Sith lord and Yoda will be god because he practices Ataru.
Btw: If atton was trained by Sion he would lure his prey towards him and then trap them and take them out. There is nothing to suggest Atton fought like that, nothing at all. He never talks about that. So we can only assume he doesn't do that.
Unlike Sion who made sure he had something to lure the Exile with, Lona Vash. Then he kept her alive until the Exile arrived on the planet. He killed her when the Exile was already on the planet (Visas says she fell the death of this master shortly after they arrived) then he locks them up in the Academy and faces them personally. If anything Sion seems to kill his victims personally with possible help from some assassins. He does not seem to use gas or bombs. But lightsabers and weapons in close up fights.
So Nadd killed more than Sion. This doesn't mean he will be any good against Kun. Kun could have personally killed every Jedi on Coruscant, but decided not to. That would be far more than the number of Jedi on Onderon.
Exar also ripped the core out of a star. Where has Nadd ever demonstrated power on that level?
Nadd as a spirit killed King Ominen(spelling?), but Kun, as a spirit that was ten times older, ripped Luke from his body.
Exar held off the Republic Army which had at LEAST hundreds of Jedi in it. Where has Nadd equaled this?
Nadd killing those Jedi with a blaster is impressive, but if Exar went down to a blaster shot, I would cry. He can presumably asorb blaster bolts with his hands as Darth Vader did.
As a side note, Jedi from Exar's era seem like they would be stronger because they lived in a time when their were wars(Exar fought them several years into the Great Sith War) where Nadd fought Jedi where their were maybe one person who was old enough to have lived back to the Great Hyperspace War. Jedi from Nadd's time generally had LESS War experince than even PT Jedi since at least some PT Jedi fought in the Stark Hyperspace War.
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