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Originally posted by Stratigo
hmmmm Space marines don't seem to degrade at all. They are documented stronger, faster, and much more durable then normal humans. Note only those in peak condition are picked as space marines, and they are picked young. This is due to one the high attrition rate of space marine training camps(before you are inducted) and that not every one excepts the implants(woman can't at all. They die immediantly).

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Originally posted by Stratigo
You see that a space marine is one injected with all sorts of crap. They have a perfect mapping proscess for this that is called a gene seed. They have larger bone strutcher, larger muscels(which is I beleive the only thing really changed from an original human. The rest is a whole lot of implants like and extra hear, lung, organ that digests anything from poisen to tree bark, and lots of extra platea for fast clotting.

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Originally posted by Stratigo
Note this is not all, just what I can recall from memeory. As I have no idea where my old space marine codex is, or the book space wolf is I can't recall it word for word). Then space marines are armed with miniture rocket launchers(bolters) and shoved into a scout company. They survive the wars long enough or do something incredibaly brave they recieve the final implant. The black carapace. This goes just under the epidermus and allows a space marine to use their power armour as extentions of their body, making them faster and stronger even more. Not only that but power armour is fairly impenitrable. concentrated blaster fire can. lightsaber definately will. But I don't think jedi can reflect high explosive bullets with a lightsaber. A bolt(ammo for bolter) doesn't make a hole when it hits, it blows whatever is hits apart.

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Originally posted by Stratigo
As for your death machines. The imperium of man has weapons made to blow up small planetoids(aka deathstar). Void missiles(like a giant version of vortex of doom) for that sun crusher. And well the fleet itself can take out the rest of those things(maybe at the cost of a planet to find where it is, but then again the imperium destroys planets almost anuly)

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Originally posted by Stratigo
as for fleet size, I honestly don't know. I believe it was something like 300 capitol ships, but I no longer remember, and I don't have the BFG codex with me.

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Originally posted by Stratigo
As for where luke and kyp controled black holes, I believe they did that through technology. But then again please state the official info on this.

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Originally posted by Stratigo
The vortex of doom is about man sized.

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Originally posted by Stratigo
unfortuantly you are right about the stagnation of technology. The Imperium has forgotten a lot. This most likely due more to the catastrophic age of strife and then the Horus heresy. The only one who really build tech any more are the adaptus mechanicus. And they no longer fully understand it. Although they do worship a machine godlike thing which many suspect is the void dragon, A sleeping c'tan(star god) and when it wakes up there will be hell to pay. And they have advanced AI called machine spirits. Plus a bunch of other techno junk that right now is unimportant to this as we haven't gotten to ground battles yet.

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Originally posted by Stratigo
As for the warp vs force, give me something the force can do and I'll counter and better it with the warp. Something like sith lightning. Can kill, but only after a while. Storm of the Emperor's wrath is pretty much psykic lightning(so no a force user cannot absorb it as the warp cant directly counter the warp and vise versa) that will fry a person.

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Originally posted by Stratigo
And why does everyone see Ragnos as a god. He is indeed powerful, very powerful, but hardly a god. In the 40k verse there are multitudes of things that can kill him, not least is space marines. If you want a list I probably could compile a fraction of things.

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Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Sith train their entire lives. Birth on, it's be the best.



That's worthless against a Sith Lord. They need technology for stuff like clotting? Sith have the ability to repair wounds extremely fast using only their minds.

Larger muscles and bones? Insignificant. Have you seen a picture of Ragnos? He is(judging if he had legs since there are no pictures of him in life) over 12 feet tall. Probably closer to 18 feet tall. He is FREAKIN HUGE!

It helps them eat !



They can. Obi-wan in AOTC(an rather weak Jedi at this time) took hits from ship-scale missles. Corran Horn(with only six weeks of training) could walk around in a building in which high explosive bombs were going off. That's with no armor. Ancient Sith, like Ragnos, were hundreds of times more powerful and war tons of armor that was enhanced by Sith Magics.



How many of these do they have? Like I said, give me fleet specs with power ratings(in a generic term, not "really super much alot mega". That would be called worthless and annoying.



The Empire had 25,000 ISD's and over a million frigates.



"I believe..." Dont give me crap. Lets see the Marines without their technology. Anyway, they did not. It was a swift movement of the hands. Read the NJO. It is official, it states it.



So what. This doesn't tell me jack digity.



Please don't tell me you called AI impressive. In Star Wars, nine year old boys can make AI it is so simplistic by then(TPM). Cleaning droids even are equipped with it.



Better than Storm of the Emperor's wrath is the many instakill lightning. ANYTHING that doesn't have extreme control over the Force will be instantly killed. Even Force users that are FAR weaker than Ragnos can use this(Luke).

Also, where did you get this crap that the Force can't block it just because the Warp can't? Think a little more next time.

The Force can destroy stars in seconds. It can control black holes with ease. It can extinguish all life in the galaxy if it chose(KOTOR 2. Kreia wanted the Exile to make the Force destory all life.)



Ragnos is a god. He was the KING of a civilization of gods. Most powerful of out trillions of gods.

Now, lets see this list with detailed reasons and evidence to back them.

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Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Killing the Force would destroy all life. No midiclorians, no life.

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Originally posted by Ogami Itto
my point is

Ogami Itto =no life

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Originally posted by Ogami Itto
10677 posts since feb 2005!=

Ogami has more of a life than dues x, i mean dark nemesis, imean darth, NO, Lord janus dammit i mean Ianus !!

jeez make up ur mind u neurotic prick!!!!

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Originally posted by Ogami Itto
ouch

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Originally posted by Ianus
lmao!

Owned