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Punisher--Hero or Villain?
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Superherovandal
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Really Punisher is kinda in a way like Magneto. Both want good things but do the entirely wrong way. Punisher isn't truly evil but yeah he is an anti-hero.


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PUnisher does more good than most hero's, he kills the criminals before they can harm anymore innocent, all the other hero's send the bad guys to jail just so they can escape and kill again and again...Punisher is the fuking man and kicks the most ass in comic history...


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as jgiant said the people that "heros" capture and hand to the police are usually super-powered criminals who just escape and kill again which there is no logic in that, Although the punisher can sometimes cross the line like killing people for jaywalking.


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that was when he was druged by jigsaw


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Wouldn't it be realistic for Frank Castle to die, and have another person take over as the next Punisher?
In private moments, like the first miniseries, he has admitted to himself that one day he will get too slow or sloppy, he'll be gone, and nothing will really change. He will never get all of them.
He is a character fated to die violently, someday.

Though he has inadventantly killed innocent people, it hasn't been enough to make him stop his mission. I wonder how many it would take.


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You don't even understand the character of punisher...if there ever was another punisher he would be destroyed by enraged fans, the new punisher wouldn't last more than one issue...Ever read punisher the end, he goes to jail and kills alot of them there and then they put him in solitary so he cant get at them...he then goes out and kills the last people on earth who are business men who basically destroyed the earth...punisher then lets fire burn him to death...this is a very rough outline of what happened, if you haven't already, read it...and yeah the good he does out weighs the bad...


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Has Punisher ever been on the courtroom for his crimes?

I know some other anti-heroes who have...Hulk was at least in the Ultimates, and Namor has been once or twice.


Yeah... it was when he was drugged by Jigsaw. The lawyer went for the insanity plea and Frank snapped and either escaped or got beaten up... i forget.

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I heard Punisher always asks people a question before taking them out. Is it true he whispers "Who is your daddy, and what does he do?" before killing his victims?


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He has been to jail more times than that...always escapes though...


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I heard Punisher always asks people a question before taking them out. Is it true he whispers "Who is your daddy, and what does he do?" before killing his victims?
Naw that is arnold...


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Naw that is arnold...


But wouldn't it be cool??


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I've read the Punisher since the 1980's - for someone who is purported to be the most real vigilante in comics, it would be perfectly natural to think someday his enemies catch up to him and gun him down. It was different when he was a selective assasin in the beginning, but he's gotten more and more brazen since the 80's - let's not even get into that weapons-from-heaven plotline; stay out of the fantasy side.
You know why his first miniseries was called Circle Of Blood? Because it shows for all the people he kills, he just creates more enemies for himself, and they follow the others.

You wonder whether someday a whole lots of heroes will turn on him as too much of a loose cannon; like the super-powered heroes turn on King Thor in his book.


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I liked the Batman Punisher fight.

Punisher sees Joker.
Batman senses that Punisher ain't gonna hold back, so he jumps in front of Joker and while staring down Frank, he says "Joker....RUN!"

Great stuff.


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that last post shows me the difference between Punisher and other heroes Batman was willing to save his arch nemesis whereas the Punisher would have killed him no thoughts of mercy or remorse. Punisher does the easy thing and just kills the people and it takes more to forgive than kill.


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True, but look how effective Batman is....not very.

I see it like this:

Both types of people are needed. Earth needs Punishers and Earth needs Supermen. Otherwise, everyone would be dead or running around unpunished.


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I've read the Punisher since the 1980's - for someone who is purported to be the most real vigilante in comics, it would be perfectly natural to think someday his enemies catch up to him and gun him down. It was different when he was a selective assasin in the beginning, but he's gotten more and more brazen since the 80's - let's not even get into that weapons-from-heaven plotline; stay out of the fantasy side.
You know why his first miniseries was called Circle Of Blood? Because it shows for all the people he kills, he just creates more enemies for himself, and they follow the others.

You wonder whether someday a whole lots of heroes will turn on him as too much of a loose cannon; like the super-powered heroes turn on King Thor in his book.
Superheros have turned on him, wolvie, dd, spidey and they all failed to bring him in, they get fuked up instead...don't get in franks way doesn't matter who you are...and punisher is realistic like batman is but to a lesser extent, punisher cannot be killed off for good it will never happen, if it does i will never read liturature again...


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Namor could bring him down. cool

But I don't think he cares about Punisher...I think he would be on his side.


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Superheros have turned on him, wolvie, dd, spidey and they all failed to bring him in, they get fuked up instead...don't get in franks way doesn't matter who you are...and punisher is realistic like batman is but to a lesser extent, punisher cannot be killed off for good it will never happen, if it does i will never read liturature again...


I mean really turn on him - no PIS or CIS. We forget, Frank is just a normal man with guns. He doesn't even have as much experience dealing with super-powered types as Batman, who always keeps detailed lists on his friends weaknesses, just in case. And has access to unreal weaponry.
For all that's been said, it doesn't mean Punisher is not interesting - quite the opposite. Someone like him who stands defiantly over the line is a needed counterpoint in mainstream comics. But there is always some writing manipulation that is happening; Batman's weakness, about being unable to kill, is hardly ever exploited.

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Originally posted by roughrider
I've read the Punisher since the 1980's - for someone who is purported to be the most real vigilante in comics, it would be perfectly natural to think someday his enemies catch up to him and gun him down. It was different when he was a selective assasin in the beginning, but he's gotten more and more brazen since the 80's - let's not even get into that weapons-from-heaven plotline; stay out of the fantasy side.
You know why his first miniseries was called Circle Of Blood? Because it shows for all the people he kills, he just creates more enemies for himself, and they follow the others.

You wonder whether someday a whole lots of heroes will turn on him as too much of a loose cannon; like the super-powered heroes turn on King Thor in his book.


Frank was sort of replaced once, it was in the Punisher 2099 series, in Franks journal it said "You who find this - I charge you to carry on my work" and it was found by a cop whos family was killed by criminals

Calling Frank a hero is debatable, but calling him a villain is retarded
It is not just what you do that makes you a hero, it is why you do it


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Originally posted by Lord Magnus
It's not really vs. but it doesn't fit anywhere else. Felt like putting it here.

Thoughts?

Anybody?

No? Ah, well.


Late reply on this one, but it fits in the Comic Book Forum.

Moved.


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