Yea, I agree with you Fishy. But aparently Magneto is now a herald level character (when that happened I don't know) who can simply take away Stormbreaker and stop planet shattering blows.
Add in the fact that the hammer is magical and I just can't see BRB losing
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You're telling me that Magneto DOESN'T control metal? No? So what is your point? Because BRB is cybernetic, so you're going to have to do better than just saying, "he exists in your mind" to make the point that Magneto is somehow unable to affect BRB.
Fact: Silver Surfer has never gone back in time to kill somebody
Fact: Beta Ray Bill has never used magnetism with Stormbreaker
Fact: Magneto has controlled the iron in blood, destroyed nervous systems, and controlled atoms and electrons
There's your difference.
End of story. Good try, though!
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Magneto takes asteroids and uses them to sleep on. So what. If you've never seen Magneto's forcefield broken, then you can't assume that BRB is going to be one to break it, considering the kind of energy attacks Magneto has withstood in the past.
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having a magical hammer doesn't mean much when a)Its user just resorts to generic blasts that can be blocked and b)Your opponent can just snatch the hammer from his hands to begin with
That's funny. How many times have we seen Magneto affect Thor, Bill, Gladiator, Hercules, or any other non-human/mutant being using the techniques your describing? And there's plenty of times when such attacks would have come in handy against Thor. Such as that time when Thor absorbed his shield and then knocked him out of the park.
Please stop. Stormbreaker is no different from Mjlnornir. The only thing that differs is whether Bill can do a God blast since he's not necessarily a true god like Thor.
As for your EM, Stormbreaker absorbed Power Cosmic. PC>EM.
And what part is that? Your assuming Magneto can just own Bill like that when your down even know how strong Bill is or his physiology. And how much cyborgnetics is inside him. Heck, not even sure if he's ever had a problem with his cybernetics being messed up. It's rarely brought by writters to begin with. Furthermore, he stalemated Thor with Stormbreaker. You think Magneto's going to stop him with Stormbreaker?
Like Tyrant, Galactus, Star Dust, and Tyrants androids did.
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And cybernetics means metal? You don't even know what is in Bill. Just because he's got cybernetics, Magneto automatically owns him?
Where was that Magneto when Doom demagnetised his armor and owned Magneto?
Fact: Magneto has never used his magnetism on aliens or gods.
Fact: You don't know how much cybernetics is in Bill to even make that a factor.
Fact: Stormbreaker has done everything Mjlnornir can except godly essence blast because Bill is not truly a god.
Fact: Stormbreaker absorbed PC attacks. PC>EM. No reason he can't absorb Magneto's shield.
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Stupid question. How many times has Magneto fought any of them? Classic Magneto fought Thor and lost, Powerup #1 Magneto fought Thor and took Mjolnir away from him. What's your point?
As for superhumans Magneto has affected - Hulk, She-Hulk, the Neo, Brood, Phalanx and he mind-controlled the entire Avengers lineup.
And when Magneto was restored to prime age he simply snatched Mjolnir out of Thor's hand and knocked him upside the head with it, along with the rest of the Avengers. So it DID come in handy, didn't it?
Fat lot of good that'll do BRB when he's no longer in possession of Stormbreaker.
And again, BRB hasn't shown any such power with Stormbreaker. So either Stormbreaker doesn't have the ability, or BRB doesn't. Either way it doesn't look good for him.
Fatal mistake, Beyonder. We're not talking about level of power, we're talking about nature of power. EM power is fundamentally incompatible with Uru and cybernetics. Whether PC is more potent is irrelevant in this context.
BRB IS a cybernetic being. As such he's vulnerable to an EM attack. Pretty simple equation, man.
And stalemating Mjolnir with Stormbreaker means what when Magneto overrided Mjolnir?
None of whom attempted an EM attack. You're good at not making points.
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Yes, actually. It's a unique vulnerability. Electrical impulses, metals, you know all that good stuff Magneto likes to work with.
You mean the story that took place in your mind? he de-magnetized his armor and hit Magneto, and no fighting took place after that. There WAS no "owning". Magneto had plenty of options after that, as he showed against Iron Man and the de-magnetized Sentinel armor he fought.
If BRB wasn't worried about collateral damage, his hammer can destroy the planet Magneto's on. Good luck for Magneto finding a suitable atmosphere in time to survive.
Stupid? I threw them out as examples of gods and aliens. Your the stupid one to give such a response.
And? So has Surfer. But even Surfer's yet to pull it on Thor or Bill. He's threatened to exploit Gladitor's weakness just to prevent fight. He's never done it against Thor, even during Blood and Thunder when Thor went crazy and attacked Bill and Sif.
He's never done it against Thor. What makes you think it's going to work on Bill. And since when was Hulk's transformation mystic in nature? Bill in his horse face form is not the same alien being before his transformation.
It did. But that doesn't mean Bill can't absorb his shield and kill him the way of Fenris or beat him down like Star Dust. Only difference between SD and Maggy is Maggy's planetary feats come down to messing with the polarity of the Earth. Oh, and that gate way to cosmic hell.
But I guess EM is everything. Greater than a being of pure energy like Star Dust wielding PC.
What ability? You didn't even know Bill is part cyborg. Now your claiming Stormbreaker can't do what Mjlornir can't? Stormbreaker was given to Bill by Odin. The same Odin that enchant Mjlornir as well.
Fundemental according to you! PC has manipulated things beyond EM, even Odin's magic when he tried to save Bill.
Mjlornir absorbed Magneto's shield. Stormbreaker's doing the same thing.
Stalemate what? :laughing: Where did I say that? Am I saying Magneto can't override Stormbreaker? Your the one who's deny that Stormbreaker's ability.
Because an EM attack is greater than planetary explosion, Galactus, Star Dust, and Tyrant.
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No, you said "How many times have we seen Magneto affect Thor, Bill, Gladiator, Hercules..." hence asking specifically for evidence that he did that to one of them, when you know he never even fought BRB, Gladiator or Herc. Why ask a question you know the answer to?
And? Surfer is a pacifist. Magneto is not. If Magneto decides to exploit Gladiator's radiation weakness or anybody else's weakness, he won't threaten it...he'll do it.
Never done what? Disarmed Thor? He has. Never done what? Disrupted Thor's cybernetic parts? He doesn't have any. BRB does.
Hence missing the point again. Hulk is stronger and has better feats than Hydroman, who just shoots out lots and lots of water. But Hydroman can beat Sandman MUCH more easily than Hulk can. Does that mean that Hydroman is more powerful? No...it means his specific brand of power is better suited for fighting Sandman than Hulk.
Likewise, if Magneto has innate control over the very components that make up BRB, it doesn't matter if he's weaker than Stardust...he has an advantage that Stardust does not.
The same Mjolnir that Magneto took over from Thor, yes. That's what I've been saying. If Stormbreaker = Mjolnir, and Magneto can control Mjolnir, then Magneto can do likewise to Stormbreaker.
And I was referring to the energy manipulating/generating ability. Even if Stormbreaker had the same powers, and it's possible, the fact that it's never been shown would suggest that it's not in BRB's character to know how to use it.
And yet Surfer can't fly without his board. PC users never use it for EM attacks, or even psionic effects for that matter. For an unlimited power, it's shown a lot of character-based limits. But EM is innately bad for BRB's health, given that he'd a cyborg.
Even if Stormbreaker has the potential, BRB has shown no such ability. Ever. Not once. Furthermore, Stormbreaker won't be in BRB's possession the instant the fight starts anyway.
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