Hmmm well it really depends on the favor that you my friend are requesting. I would also like to ask a favor of you. My favor is simple, but to u it may seem difficult, can u my friend stop with the personal attacks? I also have another favor to ask of you please do not insult my intelligence by saying this post of yours was not a personal attack.
I do not find you in the least bit amusing, nor do I think highly enough of you to put the time in to uses the fallowing capitalization, punctuation, or correct grammar.
So you wish for me to explain to you how wolverine defeats Spiderman in a stadium-like arena. I am assuming this is the standard arena with no trace of a roof of any sort?
The reasons wolverine wins in this type of scenario if due to a number of factors. Wolverine has all ready in a similar setting defeated Spiderman. The issue I am referring too is (Marvel Knights Spiderman #14). You may not of have had the opportunity to read this amazing issue, so I will gladly explain the issue in detail if you wish it of me.
Another factor for why I believe wolverine would take this epic battle is due to the fact that all he needs is one well placed stab and Spiderman is either KO or unfortunately dead.
Another important factor for why I believe wolverine takes this fight is because he has superior stamina. Spiderman can only retain his speed for so long well wolverine on the other hand can function at peak for days on end.
Another factor the will play heavily in wolverines favor is his tactical experience and fighting ability which are both leagues above Spiderman who does not have nearly the experience or skill that Logan who is so long lived, has accumulated over the years.
Another reason Wolverine has the advantage in this grand battle is due to the fact that Spiderman is not strong enough to KO wolverine with out constantly pounding on Wolverine for extreme amount of time.
Also I am assuming u think Spiderman wins due to the fact that Spiderman UN like Wolverine has long rang attack due to his ability to web opponents. This would be a issue if wolverine did not have above peak human agility and reflexes which he has shown repeatedly over the years.
Here is a list of agility and reflex feats.
(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit. http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?...rate09181rt.jpg
(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.
(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers well in side a small room.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility.
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Also Not only can wolverine simply dodge any and almost all attempts Spiderman tries at webbing him, he can also simply cut the webbing.
Here is a list of wolverines hand movements feats that proof he can quite easily stop Spiderman’s attempts at webbing him.
(Giant-sized x-men #4) wolverine and night crawler make a bet that night crawler is still just as fast as he is with out his teleporting. Wolverine proves him wrong in a flash by moving his hands so fast that he has two claws on either side of night crawlers neck. Wolverine proving that his hand speed is quite easily fast enough to catch night crawler whose agility and reflexes are quite high.
(Uncanny x-men vs. X-23 # 451) x-23 lunges attacks wolverine with both her claws at once and wolverine with one hand catches both her arms before she hits him. This feat shows that wolverine arm speed is quite fast, so fast then even he clone who as I recall gave Spiderman some trouble is not nearly as fast.
(X-men what price victory?! # 102) this feat is actually many feats in one. It is a strength, skill and hand movement speed in one. Wolverine attacks Domina with just his fists and gives her quite a beating and right before he does this she had just taken out his entire team. She hit night crawler in mid teleporting and she beat the crap out colossus and the rest of the team. Wolverine using his speed skill and strength manages to give her a beating though he does not KO her he is able to hurt her enough for his team to escape.
(Wolverine #22) wolverine hand speed is so fast it is able to cut the darts shot out of the dart gun right out of the air. Since my scanner broken I can not show u what happen after this picture, but u can look it up your self. Not only did wolverine cut those darts out of the air, but he is so skill he made them shot into another guy with out the guy noticing. http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?i...verine347fe.jpg
(Wolverine #23) This picture shows wolverine hands move every fast. The sad part is I do not have the scan of what happens after wolverine does this. On the next page every part of the cyborg that is not human was cut off. This show that not only does his hands move immensely fast, but that he is also beyond skilled with his weapon of choice. http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?i...verine406ut.jpg
Your pathetic attempts to insult my intellect was both uncalled for and un needed. I do not except your challenge because u are not worth the time nor the effort involved in doing such a challenge.
Despit the fact Wolverine has hit Spider-Man just about every time they've fought.
Spider-Man vs. Wolverine # 1 proved Spider-Man can't beat Wolverine. He has no viable way of doing damage to Wolverine.
And once again, Spider-Man is clearly not faster than Wolverine. He's more agile and has precog, but he is not faster. WvsS#1 hinted that Wolverine was faster and their fight in MK Spider-Man proved that in a full on burst of speed Spider-Man can not always avoid Wolverine.
A fight in a city would have no bearing on the outcome in this fight, other than the fact that it would allow Spider-Man to web-swing away from Wolverine in fear of his life.
First off, thank you for answering my call. I greatly appreciate it. And I'm also glad to see that you can actually type well when need be.
Secondly, I'm actually rather hurt by your "counter-attack" upon myself. I came to you with a civil discussion, and you proceed to believe that this is some sort of personal attack. I singled you out because you are the most diehard Wolverine fan on this forum. I figured, with such a title, you would be able to tell me how Wolverine could defeat Spider-Man. But I realize now that you just hate to be singled out and consider it a personal attack on yourself. And about the grammar/spelling/etc. Can you honestly blame me for asking that? Seriously. The way that you usually write hurts the eyes of everyone reading your posts. I don't know why you take it so personally.
Third (last thing, I promise), to be completely honest, I guess you didn't really answer my call at all really. All you did was post the same pictures that you always post, hoping to somehow persuade me in a way that you've never accomplished before. You shown me the scans of Wolverine moving exceptionally fast. Yes, he's fast. Faster than normal humans even. Are you, therefore, saying that Wolverine is as fast as and can actually keep up with Spider-Man? I only ask this question because you say that you read Spider-Man as well as Wolverine comics. It just strikes me odd that even though you read Spider-Man and know of all his many feats (speed, agility, and reflexes most of all), that you somehow believe that Wolverine is in the same league.
But, anyhoo, I guess...thanks? Maybe I'll try this again with someone who is up to the challenge. Someone who can actually defend their argument with some logic in their statements and a proper knowledge of both characters instead of just posting the same scans over and over again. I'm sure they're around here somewhere...
Not to point out the obvious or anything like that...but, by even responding to my previous post with this lackluster arguement, doesn't that mean that you DID ACCEPT my challenge and took part in it? Correct me if I'm wrong or missed something.
Oh yea, and these feats are impressive. For someone of Wolverine's calibur. If Spidey had the same claws that Wolvie has then he could very easily perform these same feats even easier than Wolverine himself. If you disagree, I'd love to be corrected.
Also, you may want to look into getting a new scanner. Seems you've had this "broken scanner" for close to, if not more than, a year now. Just a suggestion.
He is shown moving a hell of a lot faster than anything human. He's moving so fast highly trained mercenaries can't track him by eyesight. He moves so fast 5 people can't see him move when he's standing 1 foot in front of them. Comparing Wolverine to humans, even saying he's much faster than the fastest human is severely understating his ability.
Here's another speed feat that actually hasn't been released yet.
In Wolverine Origins # 3 Nuke fires at Wolverine point blank with a Machine Gun and Wolverine casually backflips out of the way. Wolverine dodges gunfire again in the trees and toys with Nuke, moving back around and getting behind him before Nuke knows Wolverine has left the tree line.
Not only is he dodging machine gun fire, he's doing it to a super soldier. Nuke is listed as having superhuman speed and Wolverine can dodge his automatic weapon fire.
Dodging guns is a spidey feat. Dodging automatic fire is also a spidey feat. Dodging automatic weapon fire from a super soldier with superhuman speed and enhanced reflexes is at least good enough to hit Spider-Man.
Why not batman tends to do things like that as well I am sure Wolverine is faster then normal humans however the element of surprise adds to the speed as well.................
Batman pulling feats like that are stupid and BS. Wolverine doing it make sense because he has enhanced speed.
The element of durprise does not explain Wolverine pulling crazy speed feats when he is standing 2 feet in front of the people who are pointing guns at him.
It does not explain Wolverine dodging gunfire at point blank range from people with super speed.
Wolverine having crazy enhanced speed at least on par with Spidey is the only thing that explains these feats. Except Wolverine does it on pure speed, while Spidey does it with agility and precog.
Wolverine only recently has had enhanced speed in the handbooks! Also Wolverine is so fast DD judo chopped him in! The only thing that explains these types of feats is creative writing and not so much the absolute powersets How in the hell can Wolverine be faster then Spiderman if he is less agile, isn't as powerful (tricky here with the term power.)
Spiderman's best showings has him dancing all over Wolverine and using his ability to keep distance and webshooters for the win.
Wolverine is fast enough to dodge lasers as well, yet Scott hits him damn near everytime! Is Wolverine faster then a laser, NO its just how the writer wants to portray him in that scene.
You actuly belive wolverine is faster than Spider-man? just from that fight...that dosent prove he's faster than spider-man that just prooves he was able to stab him. I suppose if we went by your logic because spider-man was able to web logan to the wall in that fight also that would also make Spider-man faster than logan. And after spider-man webbed Logan that fight should have been over anyway, just look at how he was webbed , he wouldnt have been able to cut himself free, and he sure as hell can't use physical force to break the webbing. Its also safe to assume that because it was a training session the fighters weren't actuly going all out except for Logan, lets face it if he wasnt he wouldn't have used his claws against spider-man except maybe for cutting through his webbing, so Wolverine took advantage of that...which i suppose could also show why he is a far superior taction.
As for your talk about the city this would give spider-man a huge advantage once he can web swing he has much more speed mobility and a much wider range of attacks.
Wolverine has had enhanced speed since Hulk # 181. You know, his first appearance. The current hanbook power charts actually list him as having normal speed, so I'm not sure what your talking about. Only the Marvel Legends Action Figures power charts list him as having level 3 "Enhanced Speed". It's the older handbooks that mention his enhanced speed and reflexes. Go back and click on Capt's links to the older hanbooks and stop being so obstinate.
DD chopped Wolverine in a story written by Garth Ennis. Garth Ennis hates Wolverine and writes him like a retarded 12 year old in need of some Ridalin. It's funny that you mention that issue because in that issue Spider-Man grabs Logan from behind and WOLVERINE BACKFLIPS AND DROPKICKS SPIDER-MAN IN THE CHEST!!!!!! He also blows past Spider-Man's attempts to web him to a wall, proving once again Spider-Man's webbing wont save him from Wolverine.
Did you honestly ask that question? Agility has nothing to do with Speed. Agility helps your manueverability, not your speed. Spider-Man is more agile than Wolverine. It's the only reason (combined with precog) that Spider-Man is able to dodge stuff like Wolverine trying to stab him. Yet even this hasn't saved Spider-Man in the past. How is Wolverine hitting Spider-Man, unless he's as fast, or faster? The only answer is Wolverine has to be as fast as Spider-Man.
?????? When did that happen? Spider-Man has never danced all over Wolverine. He has got knocked on his ass 2 or 3 times, had adamantium shoved in his throat while Wolverine bitched him out in Spidey vs Wolvy # 1, and got stabbed in the gut after a 4 panel fight at Avengers Tower. Wolverine also killed Spider-Man in the What if... Inferno stories.
You fail to realize that Scott's blasts can be as large as a house. Spider-Man and Wolverine dodge bullets and lasers by inches. Dodging something moving at the speed of light, that is also the size of a house is a lot harder than dodging a bullet from a 9 mm. Use common sense. Wolverine does not always get hit by Scott anyway. He has dodged Scott's blast more than once, even when the blast came from BEHIND him. He has also dodged Havok's blast more than once. Wolverine dodges lasers like every 10 issues, being written by any writer you can think of, so YES he can dodge lasers. He even dodges machine guns fired by people with Superspeed, as you ignored in my last post.
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Well it doesn't really matter if Logan is slower than Spider-Man if he can stab him every time they fight does it? I say Wolverine is at least as fast as Spider-Man because he has caught Spider-Man, decked him, kicked him, or slashed him just about every time they fought. Considering that Wolverine has put down Sabretooth in one strike, he will beat Spider-Man if he hits him once. Admitting Wolverine would slash Spider-Man (which he has done) is the same as admitting Spider-Man would lose.
If Spider-Man was so much faster than Wolverine he would never get hit. Since Wolverine hits Spider-Man every time they fight their speed must be a lot closer than Spidey fans think, especially since Spider-Man has alluded to the fact that Wolverine is as fast as he is.
Spider-Man can web Wolverine for the same reason Wolverine can hit Spider-Man. They are about the same speed. The webbing is also a distance weapon, thus easier to hit an opponent like Wolverine who has to be within arms reach to hit you. It's pretty easy to shoot someone who is charging at you too. Even if they are faster than you. Use some common sense.
As far as the webbing goes, Wolverine has broken free of it using brute force before this issue. I also dont see why he couldn't have used his claws in that instance anyway.
Spider-Man was obviously trying in that fight. If you train yourself at half speed you dont improve when the time to use your training arrives. Ask any athelete. Wolverine using his claws means nothing in this instance. Have you ever seen him not use his claws when training in the Danger Room? No, he just retracts them when he comes close to hitting someone. Just ask Nightcrawler. Wolverine does it to him many times.
Spider-Man was using webbing, super strength, and verbally PROVOKING Wolverine in this fight. Peter is not dumb enough to provoke Wolverine and not expect Wolverine to try and hurt him. He got stabbed because Wolverine ripped the webbing off, dove at Peter, and slashed him before Peter could get out of the way. Thus proving Wolverine is at least as fast as Spider-Man.
swinging on a line does not make you faster, it makes you rely on gravity to get you somewhere. Webswinging is not going to help Spider-Man win this fight. It will help him run away. That's it. If Wolverine can cut the cape off of Storm when she flies at him full speed using no apparant effort, he will impale Spider-Man when he web swings at him. Storm flies a lot faster than Spider-Man web swings. Wolverine purposely cut only Storm's cape off, leaving her completely untouched. Comparing Spidey's web swinging speed to Storm's flight speed does not bode well fro Spider-Man, especially when you consider Wolverine wasn't even looking at Storm and pulled off the feat while standing with his arms crossed until she was right in front of him.
Also consider this Spider-man get hit in every1 of his fights by much slower opponents, why? because it makes the fight intresting. He's been hit by the likes of DD, Kingpin, Black Cat, Captain America...all of these are slower than Spider-man yet they hit him because the fights require it otherwise they'd just be plain boring. And just because wolverine could slash Spidey dosen't mean an instant win, he's been slashed before made a web bandage and carried on, granted it depends on how deep he's cut but just because wolverine could hit him dosen't mean he would beat him from that one hit.
[/B][/QUOTE] Spider-Man can web Wolverine for the same reason Wolverine can hit Spider-Man. They are about the same speed. The webbing is also a distance weapon, thus easier to hit an opponent like Wolverine who has to be within arms reach to hit you. It's pretty easy to shoot someone who is charging at you too. Even if they are faster than you. Use some common sense.
As far as the webbing goes, Wolverine has broken free of it using brute force before this issue. I also dont see why he couldn't have used his claws in that instance anyway.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok I will use some common sense wolverine Lunged at spider-man while spider-man was in mid lunge himself so he couldnt have avoided Logan...So that dosen't proove wolverine was faster it prooves he was tactily smart enough to go for a blow at spider-man at the correct time.
Also the reason wolverine shouldnt have able to use his claws to get out of the webbing in that scene is because his arms were webbed up thus he couldnt move his claws and cut the webbing. And seeing as Spider-man can bareley break his own webbing Wolverine has no chance and if he does it just PIS.
[/B][/QUOTE] Spider-Man was obviously trying in that fight. If you train yourself at half speed you dont improve when the time to use your training arrives. Ask any athelete. Wolverine using his claws means nothing in this instance. Have you ever seen him not use his claws when training in the Danger Room? No, he just retracts them when he comes close to hitting someone. Just ask Nightcrawler. Wolverine does it to him many times.
Spider-Man was using webbing, super strength, and verbally PROVOKING Wolverine in this fight. Peter is not dumb enough to provoke Wolverine and not expect Wolverine to try and hurt him. He got stabbed because Wolverine ripped the webbing off, dove at Peter, and slashed him before Peter could get out of the way. Thus proving Wolverine is at least as fast as Spider-Man.[/B][/QUOTE]
i didn't say Spider-man was'nt trying I said he wasn't going all out. And he wasn't trying to improve his abilities they were in that session for teamwork practice. And Spidey probaly would be that stupid...its how he fights he always verbaly abbuses his opponents...and in a training session you wouldnt expect som1 to try and stab you even wolverine.
Yet you didn't finish my sentance there where I brought into the discussion, power. Spiderman is lighter and faster AND STRONGER! Hence the term power and speed from Spiderman should be exponentially greater then Wolverine.
Last edited by Soleran on May 28th, 2006 at 08:46 PM
No just because I quoted what you had said does not in fact mean that I had in any way accept such a childish challenge.
Please proof Spiderman can in fact perform these feats easily. You my friend have yet to show any proof to what u have said.
I got a new scanner, but it broke a few months back after my brother spill some coke on it. I do not have enough in come to pay for such an expensive item. I also had to pay for prom. So I am quite broke at the current moment.
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May 26th, 2006 10:00 PM
Fight in a city Spiderman 10/10, he controls the speed and mobility of the fight!
