What they're going for is a parallel, people. Peter Parker and Eddie Brock can be a lot alike if you think about it. Both have tragedies in their lives, both have similar jobs, so it kind of works to reimagine that Eddie is kind of built like Peter. Both are very similar, but one chooses to deal with his problems differently than the other.
Don't knock our Spider-Man fandom. You have to look outside the box, you insipid whiny brat. Eddie Brock's life and characterization has been retconned too many times to count. So what if there's another SLIGHT difference here?! Who cares?! As long as the acting is good, and the dialogue and story are good, then I'm happy. You should be too. If you're not, then you can go ahead and cry into your back-issues of Venom: Lethal Protector and wonder why they killed off all the other symbiotes.
They shouldn't let you kids on this site.
topher grace can play eddie brock in the movie, it may be mediocre, and he looks nothing like the character, but theres nothing we can do about it. its like war in iraq, theres nothing we can do to stop it...
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I'm happy with it, I mean these are the movies and they can vary from the comics. I've always believed that you can't stay perfectly true to the comics all the time or it wont be as good. No 2 vs 2 big fight happened with Sandman and Venom vs Spiderman and Harry (GG2). It will be awesome to see.
First of all, Venom isn’t my favorite character. In fact he’s far from. I wouldn’t mind if Venom wasn’t in the film(or any) at all. Get this… Spider-man isn’t even my favorite comic.
Anyway…
Yes I am concerned about Tohper Grace's look, we all know he doesn’t "look" like Eddie Brock (except maybe the Ultimate Version), but I am more concerned that he can not play the role of Eddie.
My concern is with the "hollywoodization" of our comic books. Topher Grace is not a super amazing actor. He did not get his claim to fame through his fabulous acting skill. Topher Grace was lucky. He played the roll of Eric Forman very well. I love That 70s Show. I think he plays the Geeky role very well. My feelings about him playing venom do not mean I hate his acting style or him. People are going to see the previews and say "hey isnt that Eric from "that 70s show" oh man hes so funny."
For those who don’t know, Topher Grace was in a High School play that the Casting Director for "That 70s Show" was attending. He (or she I forget) saw Topher in the play and thought he would fit the roll of Eric Forman and asked him to come addition. That’s how he got his acting job. He fit the roll of a geeky\skinny high school student. He looks like one and he acted like one because... get this... he was a geeky high school kid. It’s not hard to act like a high school kid when you are one.
Topher Grace is forever "Eric Forman" first and foremost. He is a big star and he was cast in the role of Eddie Brock because of his name and fame. Who in their right mind would look at him and think "Wow that guy really looks like Eddie Brock!" I can tell you who. Someone who doesn’t know the character or the comics. That is my big problem. People. Now other people who dont read the comics are going to look at Eddie Brock and think hes the "geeky\skiny" nerdy kid from high school.
Have you actually watched Topher's performances in other movies? (Win a Date with Tad Hamilton and In Good Company . Both those movies made a small splash on the big screen. Notice the role he was playing in both? In Win a Date he was a geeky friend to the girl who the movie centres around. For the movie In Good Company he wasn’t a "geeky" guy but he was set as a character who was an "unlikely boss" as in he didn’t fit the normal role of a boss figure "Older, Mature, Strong, Intimidating, Confident" and so on.
He is an actor who gets type cast because he has no real acting experience outside of his “geeky\high school student like roles.
In no way is Topher Grace experienced enough as an actor to play this role correctly. He doesn’t even have any experience playing a Antagonist in a movie or TV show.
Slight changes to characters and story don’t bug me that much. It’s the "Hollywoodization" I hate. I hate that they bring in big names to play different roles.
From what I can tell they are making Venom the "Evil" Spider-man rather than the anti-hero he should be. Not that this is some cool new direction the director\writer wants to take, it’s because the Hollywood executives don’t care how it should be done.
So now we get a character that’s been churned out of the Hollywood “InstaMovie” machine played by an inexperienced actor.
I’m sorry I express my concern and you seem to think I’m “whining.” At least I have more reason to be concerned than you have reason to be assured.
Why don’t you guys tell me why you think he’s going to do so well as Eddie Brock?
Just because you havn't seen him a play a different style too his geeky counter parts doesn't mean he can't. It's called 'Acting' . Alfred Molina did a pretty good Doc Ock and I've never seen him be a maniacle super villain before.
No but you probably didnt know who he was before you saw the movie right?
If you had seen him all the time playing a dancing monkey things would be different.
I wont rule out the idea that Topher could pull it off. However, Im saying that its a big risk to take just to have another star name in the cast list.
Edit: Id also like to add that you did not give a valid reason to "why" he can play the role. I mean really I can 'act' like Eddie Brock too, doesnt mean people are going to believe me, but hey that's why the call it "acting" right...
I have seen Topher in 'The 70's show' but thats about it. And for an actor whose being paid as much as he is
I'm sure he can find some insencive. Plus Raimi chose him for a reason. Have you considored that their not going to EXACTLY portray Eddie as he is in the comics? Because it will become alot clearer when we see the movie. Make proper judgment and have faith in your fellow man until then.
1) You have no idea how much he makes per movie do you? Hes a big name because of his role in That 70s Show, not because of the money he makes or his great acting.
2) You honestly want me to believe that you have never seen him in that role as Eric Forman?
I never said they couldnt change the character a bit. I even said that theres a chance his acting could pull it off. However making him an "evil parker" is totally different. Comic characters have to be changed somewhat on the big screen. You just cant do an exact comic emulation, but they are changing things for the wrong reasons. The changes being made to eddie are to adapt the character to the style of Topher Grace rather than making it about Eddie.
You have no valid points, so do what you do best and just wait for someone to say something smart and you can just quote them and add your stupid and imature "YEAH!" to the end.
Maybe you misunderstood what I said. In answer to your following points
1) My point was he's making alot of money from it. End of story.
2) No and it doesn't matter.
Secondly explain to me how I'm dodging the question. Show me you’re 'real point' And I'll answer it then. And whoever said about making an evil parker? You mean he would be a contrast to Peter? Well isn't that what Eddie is?
"comic characters have to be changed somewhat on the big screen. You just cant do an exact comic emulation" - This is true
"The changes being made to Eddie are to adapt the character to the style of Topher Grace rather than making it about Eddie." - Stupidest point I've ever read. Of course they’re gonna have it suit the actor, it's the nature of acting! Hugh Jackman leaves his mark on Wolverine, Ian Mkellen on Magneto, Angelina Jolie on Tomp Raider, Christian Bale on Batman and so on.
And yes I must be showing my age when I'm agreeing with another forum member.
If you think Topher can't do it, fine I guess but I'm going to watch the movie first and then make judgement.
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why becuz now I see he will just be the bad Peter. Opposite of Spiderman. If Peter was bad this is what he would be. That is what they are going to show him as which is fine with me I like Harry's story better anyway. He will be Venom and he will fight Spiderman being about the same size as he is and die.
Well, everyone's question when Spider-Man 1 came out was "Why is Tobey Maguire going to be a good Peter Parker?". People were as pissed about Tobey playing Spidey as they are about Topher playing Eddie. It's interesting to watch history repeat itself.
I have no solid evidence that Gracie will play an excellent Eddie Brock. All I have to go on is Raimi's choices for previous roles. No one was sure about Tobey, and he blew us away for the most part (there are still some nay-sayers out there ). Alfred Molina had roles in dramas mainly, such as Identity or The Perez Family, but pulled off the role of Doc Ock with flying colors (though I did miss the German accent from the cartoon, lol). Of course, Thomas Haden Church as Sandman was the biggest shock recently! How could "Lowell" from the TV show Wings be the Sandman? It's crazy! He's too skinny! His face is too narrow! Well, check out that pic of him standing in traffic, and you'll think that Sandman just jumped out of the comic and into reality.
There is no hard evidence that Topher Gracie will be a convincing Eddie Brock, but based on Raimi's previous decisions, I'm going to hold my faith until after I see the movie. If he does a horrible job, then I'll knock the film until the cows come home. However, if he does a good job portraying his character, then you owe me $50
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May 31st, 2006 06:53 PM
yea, exactly like that.
. Alfred Molina did a pretty good Doc Ock and I've never seen him be a maniacle super villain before.
