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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sure, but if we use high showings for both, what stops Atlanteans simply taking Graviton out with a simple magical curse? I don't think he has any kind of magical protection. We are talking about the people who Doctor Strange has come to ask advice and who built the Serpent Crown...

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"Orginal poster needs to specify if he meant All of Earth or all of the Universe."

I'm just debating an scenario. Obviously this is a bit stupid thread if this is all Marvel Universe and DC Universe (TOAA & The Presence). It's not fun to debate something that doesn't get any discussion up.

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Originally posted by Space M ummy
Re: Graviton- That guy doesn't need to even be on the same continent as his opponent to use his abilities. Altantis would be wrecked before anyone there had any idea of who was doing it.

also: the Serpent crown was a joint creation of Set's serpent men and the lemurians. Atlantis= different. It's essentially the power of Set there. Last I checked, not too many Set worshippers still hanging around Atlantis.




I agree. Limiting it to "earth" only makes sense as the cosmic beings are overwhelmingly powerful, but I DO think that other pantheons known to be active exclusively on earth, (even if they reside in a pocket dimension connected TO earth) like the olympians should definitely be included here. Just a difference of opinion.

also: yeah, Black Alice is a huge threat. can't believe I overlooked her. If she can render spectre powerless, then even odin/king thor is vulnerable. It's pretty much game over if she can.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Marvel & DC Earth?

As it is now? They would lose, Asgard is down with the exeption of Beta Ray Bill. Namor & Aquaman and their armies could not beat rest now.

Classic days? Asgard & Atlantis would win.

One word. Odin. Or King Thor, whatever is your preference.

Odin
Thor(RKT, KT, Classic?)
Beta Ray Bill
Loki
Kurse
Ymir
Surtur
Hela
Midgard Serpent
Skurge
Enchantress
Valkyries
Asgardian Destroyer
Mangog
Ulik
Ulik's armies, or Troll armies
Asgard's armies
Balder
Fandral
Frigga
Frey
Heimdall
Hermod
Hoder
Hogun
Idunn
Karnilla
Lorelei
Sigyn
Sif
Tyr
Vidar
Volla
Volstagg
Frost Giants
Surtur's armies
Dwrave's Armies
Dark Elves armies
Light Elves armies
Hela's Armies of the dead
Namor
Aquaman
Both Atlantis armies...

DC + Marvel earths are most likely going down.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Marvel & DC Earth?

As it is now? They would lose, Asgard is down with the exeption of Beta Ray Bill. Namor & Aquaman and their armies could not beat rest now.

Classic days? Asgard & Atlantis would win.

One word. Odin. Or King Thor, whatever is your preference.

Odin
Thor(RKT, KT, Classic?)
Beta Ray Bill
Loki
Kurse
Ymir
Surtur
Hela
Midgard Serpent
Skurge
Enchantress
Valkyries
Asgardian Destroyer
Mangog
Ulik
Ulik's armies, or Troll armies
Asgard's armies
Balder
Fandral
Frigga
Frey
Heimdall
Hermod
Hoder
Hogun
Idunn
Karnilla
Lorelei
Sigyn
Sif
Tyr
Vidar
Volla
Volstagg
Frost Giants
Surtur's armies
Dwrave's Armies
Dark Elves armies
Light Elves armies
Hela's Armies of the dead

Namor

Aquaman
Arion
Atlan
Tempest
Hagen
Mera
Dolphin
Koryak
Aquagirl
Nuada Silverarm
Kordax
Tsunami
Queen Clea
King Iquila
S'ona
Ocean Master
Neptune Perkins

Both Atlantis' armies...

DC Atlantis Armies:
The main Poseidonis Army (including many magic users, and at one time Poseidonis itself became a powerful floating city)
The Tritonian Army of Mer-people
The Hy-Brasilians (packed to the hilt with an immense armoury)
The women of Thierna Na Oge (all accomplished magic users who together were able to harm a Millenium Giant.)
Not to mention all sea life itself thanks to Aquaman's TP.


DC + Marvel earths are most likely going down.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Marvel & DC Earth?

As it is now? They would lose, Asgard is down with the exeption of Beta Ray Bill. Namor & Aquaman and their armies could not beat rest now.

Classic days? Asgard & Atlantis would win.

One word. Odin. Or King Thor, whatever is your preference.

Odin
Thor
Beta Ray Bill
Asgard's armies
Namor
Aquaman
Both Atlantis armies...

DC + Marvel earths are most likely going down.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Marvel & DC Earth?

As it is now? They would lose, Asgard is down with the exeption of Beta Ray Bill. Namor & Aquaman and their armies could not beat rest now.

Classic days? Asgard & Atlantis would win.

One word. Odin. Or King Thor, whatever is your preference.

Odin
Thor
Beta Ray Bill
Asgard's armies
Namor
Aquaman
Both Atlantis armies...

DC + Marvel earths are most likely going down.

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Originally posted by Space M ummy
Re: Graviton- That guy doesn't need to even be on the same continent as his opponent to use his abilities. Altantis would be wrecked before anyone there had any idea of who was doing it.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Re: Graviton- That guy doesn't need to even be on the same continent as his opponent to use his abilities. Altantis would be wrecked before anyone there had any idea of who was doing it.

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Originally posted by Space M ummy
also: the Serpent crown was a joint creation of Set's serpent men and the lemurians. Atlantis= different. It's essentially the power of Set there. Last I checked, not too many Set worshippers still hanging around Atlantis.

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Originally posted by Space M ummy
I agree. Limiting it to "earth" only makes sense as the cosmic beings are overwhelmingly powerful, but I DO think that other pantheons known to be active exclusively on earth, (even if they reside in a pocket dimension connected TO earth) like the olympians should definitely be included here. Just a difference of opinion.

also: yeah, Black Alice is a huge threat. can't believe I overlooked her. If she can render spectre powerless, then even odin/king thor is vulnerable. It's pretty much game over if she can.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sentry is now the strongest one on Marvel Earth. He would get pwnd by Odin, honestly.

DC Earth's heavy hitters are at this moment...Black Adam, Captain Marvel and Superman? Cap can't leave Rock of Eternity (So someone could ambush him there, I know he has Shazam's powers, but Odin would probably defeat Shazam), Black Adam and Superman are taken down by Beta Ray Bill and Thor or at least held off until Odin comes and swats them aside.

Hell, are we counting Asgardian villains too? Let's see, Loki, Ymir, SURTUR...

And Namor and aqua man with their armies would be pretty impressive support too.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler

And Black Alice, if facing someone who isn't magical, could get beaten pretty fast. Unless she can absorb magic from people who aren't close or something...

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So how long she retains these powers?

And if she wants a specific magic power, doesn't she need to see the one she wants the powers from?

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Unknown, she couldn't hold Spectre's powers for long. That was never stated, it's just easier to fixate on them as shown with the scan Alan Scott was in space, Dr.Fate was else where on the planet and she took his power as well.

This really is no contest Marvel and DC win.

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Originally posted by Space M ummy
Superhuman strength, stamina, durability, agility, and reflexes. Ares is also an immortal with an unending lifespan. He can be wounded during battle but due to his Olympian nature he heals very quickly. Only an injury of such magnitude that it incinerates all or a portion of his bodily molecules could cause him physical death.

From Marvel.com.



I did not read the miniseries, but if they can, then it contradicts everything marvel's established about olympians up to this point.



you mean like the Fantastic 4 issue where he rode an asteroid through space, pulled the atmosphere from a passing planet and claimed to be able to prevent the merging of two dimensions during inferno 20 years ago? I think you have it backwards. Graviton has ALWAYS been written as a team wrecker, outside of one or two low showings. PIS/CIS off (as it should be on the boards) Graviton Annihilates Atlantis on his own. But that's not the point. There are FAR too many high powered individuals like Graviton that would utterly annihilate atlantis in an eyeblink.



The Olympic gods are offspring of Gaea (re: earth) the pantheon is tied into earth, and the primary activities of all the gods take place there. Zeus, Pluto, Ares, Neptune, Venus, etc all make numerous appearances on earth, unlike say...the elders of the universe, who are spaced based and rarely appear here. If the earth was seriously threatened (for instance, by the celestial host) Those gods certainly DO show up. They're included here.

And again, where does the original poster specify earth only?

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So how long she retains these powers?

And if she wants a specific magic power, doesn't she need to see the one she wants the powers from?