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*sigh* This is why you're not respected on here.
Your example proves it. I don't have to say anything about Apoc beating the hulk. IT'S ON-PANEL. He's already done it. On-panel evidence, also called scans, are the gold standard for debating. You are arguing against canon material and scans.
You debate using feats, evidence, logic, and ignore PIS moments. You do not debate with opinions and heresay. Xmeat is outright wrong and so are you. You want to debate that way, go to comicvine, or CBR, or Superherochat. This is KMC, we are the big leagues on debating. And your style of debating simply does not work and is not respected here.
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So Superman can't fly FTL on Earth (according to you he's only a little faster than the speed of sound) but can go over 2.3 million light-years in a matter of hours if he's in space?
Last edited by Rorschach on May 14th, 2007 at 02:12 AM
I believe he can do that in space since magneto can fly near light speed in space and nova can fly only the speed of sound on earth but in space he can fly faster than light and terrax can fly faster than light in space but on earth never showed any kind of speed. Rogue can fly sub sonic speed in space but can go the speed of sound on earth (classic rogue). I believe you since people slower than superman can do the same thing while in space. Theres no gravity to slow them down in space, none, so superman can pull them feats along with almost any body that has any kind of speed and flight.
go to where it says known powers, you should see this.
Can fly faster than speed of sound (mach 3) in Earth's atmosphere. Able to reach light speed and access hyperspace when in space.
If they're bloodlusted for the purposes of a vs. thread they'll fly as fast as they can on earth since they won't worry about killing people due to the side effects (which is the reason they don't do it in the comics)
I want some on-panel evidence, not a bio. I could become a member at Marvel Database and edit that bio.
The only reason people don't got light-speed on Earth is because it would damage the surrounding area. Even going FTS can damage the surrounding area due to sonic booms, in fact Superman has stated on-pannel that he had to learn how to suppress sonic booms. Earth's gravity is nothing to Superman, you're talking about a guy who's resisted the gravitational pull of a red sun several times.
You do realize that Superman going 2.3 million light-years in a matter of hours puts is faster than Gladiator going a 100 times light-speed, don't you? Looks like Superman is faster than Gladiator in space.
Last edited by Rorschach on May 14th, 2007 at 02:32 AM
Black holes with mass greater than earth's have gravity greater than earth's.
If you're still outside the event horizon, it's the same as any other gravity well. If you're past the event horizon, you have to be FTL or you're frozen in time and trapped forever with no possible way out.
Like you said, I want some on panel speed quotes, ex... with the gladiator feat reed richards said he was going 100 times the speed of light. Is there any kind of comic saying the same for supes.
When gladiator disarmed that weapon it said that he was going near light speed (about 180,000 mps) I want to see something that is saying the same for supes.
And as it stated in the bio, that nova can go the speed of sound on earth and outside of the earths atmosphere he can go the faster than the speed of light. I think that earth gravity does play a major role in the speed dept, especially when your in space and youre not even affected by any type of atmosphere. You might think that its nothing to supes but it is. I can say the same for nova since he is nigh invulnerable and is a cosmic being with enormous powers but earth atmosphere plays a major role on him.
If you dont like bios then this one will really hurt, this came from a writer by the name of brian azzarello (hes a superman writer). During a interview that was in a wizard book they asked him questions that compared our superman to earth 2 superman and this was superman stats.
He could lift 100,000 tons +
Then they asked about his speed, he simply stated that superman max speed is 2000mps
Earth 2 superman speed is 1750mps.
I didnt say this, brian azzarello said this, argue with him.
Well I guess they lied about flash being the fastest being on the planet since everytime he goes light speed he enters the speed force but superman can exceed flash speed since his top speed is considered directly at light speed.
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