He did. If you count all the hits DD hit Danny more giving him the advantage in that battle. He used the IF because he was losing IMO. Danny did the same to Sue in training when he was frustrated and did the same to a crowd of regular people in maximum carnage out of frustration/anger. Danny is a great martial artist but he gets frustrated and hot headed at times.
Also something that should be noted DD was handicapped in that fight as well.
A. His senses were messed up and he was disoriented.
B. He was out of practice because of being in Jail as DD stated this.
Yea, DD hit Fist more, but thats just because hes better than Fist imo, PLUS he ws a bit bloodlusted. However, advantage wise, one would think that Fist would or SHOULD have the advantage due to him using both his and Matts moves.
A.) Also as far as DD being handicapped, i dont think that was the case at all. His hearing and smell was disoriented, but the radar was working fine. The radar woujld help him much more than the other two would while in h2h combat.
B.) Although Matt may have stated and still states that hes a bit rusty, i think thats not saying much because he was still whooping on PLENTY of ass when he was in jail. I dont think it was a good idea for the writers to have him say that when he was a naturall bully in jail, lol.
I have it as well, and DD didnt handle Sabes easy at all. When he got mad, he landed a nice series of hits on Creed, but the fight could have went on. At the end of that battle, DD wasnt in the best of shape either although it was due to a back hit from Sabes.
Actually he was just using DD's style. That was the point for him to pretend to be Daredevil. Which I forgot to mention handicaps IF, but as I stated. Makes sense for DD to have the advantage in such a fight.
A. Nope DD uses his senses in conjunction with the radar. Being disoriented in itself is being handicapped.
B. He was rusty because DD trains a lot. Fighting regular joes and training are two seperate indicators factors for being at your best. Your right that it probably didn't hinder him a lot that he's a rookie. But the small disadvantage is there no less.
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No, Iron Fist was using his own style as well as DD's. "A better Martial Artists than most ive faced. And hes trying to emulate my moves at the same time..." Fist was using a combo of his own style and DD's. All the people who saw Fist as DD just figured he moved like DD and whooped as like DD. Prime example was when Iron Fist fought Deadpool then fought him again as Daredevil. He was combining the styles. Again, which "should" give IF the advantage in a fight.
A.) DD's senses are in conjuction with the radar, however in that situation, his hearing and smell wasnt needed at all. He found Fist. Danny was talking but, Matt couldnt hear. That didnt hinder his fighting at all. Daredevil himself wasnt disoriented. Just his hearing and smell which wasnt needed.
B.) Again, i think having him say he was rusty was bad writing. Matt was fighting since day 1 in jail. He mentioned he was rusty due to lack of training. He didnt appear to need to train. The jail had the weights and other things for him to train. As much as he was fighting, that should have been more than enough training or practice rather, for him to fight and defeat Iron Fist. If its called a disadvantage, so be it, but Iron Fist didnt have any at all. He stayed on the streets, and he combined two different fighting styles which makes him more of a proficient fighter imo.
Nope it shouldn't give him the advantage if it hindered him in using it to begin with especially considering DD is the better in his own style. Daredevil uses his senses in hearing for anticipation and understanding what his opponents muscles are leading to do to even hear shifts in the air. Daredevil stated he's disoriented because of that. Look was DD at his regular levels yes or no.
If its no then he was handicapped. If its yes then you have some serious problems to admit it.
B. If you think fighting is the same as training then you don't know much about martial arts to begin with. Point is DD stated it making him handicapped. Since he didn't not just train he did in fact say he's rusty. So rusty in face that DD had to be more lethal then the norm of him holding back against the regular jail in mates.
To deny this it to deny DD was indeed a bit out of practice.
Iron Fist using Daredevils moves or skills didnt hinder him at all. It was him not using the billy club in THAT battle that messed him up. Daredevil doesnt always use his hearing to hear contracting muscles or shifts in the air. As a Daredevil reader you should know that, especially in MOST h2h confrontations. Again, Daredevil didnt state HE was disoriented. Just his hearing and smell when searching for the "imposter", but as he said "My radar spots him". When he was fighting Iron Fist, he wasnt hindered at all. Re-read the issue.
In prior issues to the one we're talking about, Daredevil mentioned being rusty. Rusty because of training? Only sightly due to practice and being sleepy as well. Matt stated that. He had much practice throughout the time in jail though, so what makes you think he was rusty when he fought Iron Fist which was a good while later after much fighting? Please enlighten me. Daredevil wasnt more lethal in jail because he was rusty. He was more lethal in jail because he was desperate and angry. What were you reading?
When DD FIRST got in jail, he mentioned being rusty. We didnt hear anymore about him being rusty since then. Thus like ive been stating, at the time DD fought Fist, he was not rusty nor out of practice and was at no disadvantage at all.
And in him not using the billy club is a part of DD's style so you answered your own question that it did hinder him. And yes him using DD style of fighting as well hindered him. Next you'll say he can use DD's style as good as DD and use his billy club as good ad DD. Which I'll just put this right now.
He wasn't hindered at all. So him saying he's disoriented because of his smell and hearing being out of wack is normal for you LOL. You have a skewed view of things.
We knew he was rusty in jail and after getting out he tracked down the poser. So yes you just ignore continuity as you see fit. DD had to be more lethal since he was rusty/out of practice in jail. Normally he holds back.
I already showed the comments that DD did state he was rusty. Now you need to show statements that say he was not, in the Danny battle since it was in accordance to what had happened. The burden of proof is on you.
Same for him being handicapped because of his senses the burden of proof is on you since he stated he's not his regular self.
Umm, if you look at IF, during his time as DD, he DID use the clubs. In that fight he chose not to. Does that mean Fist was hindered? No. When Daredevil fights, there are moves that he doesnt always do. Does that mean DD is hindered in that fight? No. Nothing was stopping Fist from using the club. I dont see your logic there. Umm, Fist IS good enough to use DD's style just as well. No one else could tell the difference and neither could you or I. He was the only one who could pul it off.
In the fight with Fist, he didint need the hearing and smell. How many h2h fights does DD use his hearing and smell? Not many. Again, im not getting your logic.
Yes, he was rusty when he FIRST go in jail. He stated not enough practice and sleep. He had much practice and started getting sleep. The rustiness wore off as he whoooped on more ass. When he got out of jail, he was no longer rusty. At least not fighting wise. Again, DD was more ruthless in jail, because he was desperate and angry. Thats all. He was rusty in his FIRST prisoin fight and you never heard a thing about it since.
Like i said, the rusty comment was when DD first appeared in jail. You never showed him saying that after at any point in time. When he was out of jail, he never mentioned being rusty, so you have nothing to base that off of.
And you would be wrong since DD stated his first mistake was not using the clubs. LOL yeah I'm sure in your world Danny can fight exactly as good in DD's style. Keep believing it. That fact that you think he can use DD's style as good as DD is quite laughable and entertaining at the same time.
That fact that he was d
isoriented because they were out of sync. The fact that he uses his hearing for everything since he's blind to no the distance of objects or beings, sense muscles tightening, changing. Its not that your not trying to understands.
Denial its not just a river in Egypt.
He didn't need to remind us. He got out of jail and looked for his poser. I proved he was rusty. I see you have no evidence yet? All you do is dodge.
I base on evidence. You base on opinion. Were are your statements for evidence. Thought so.
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