and you said the same about captain america. and, i also pointed out daredevil's advantage over IF in the post you quoted to say i didn't say anything.
NO. NO MORE WOLVERINE TALK; GOOD OR BAD. EITHER VOTE FOR HIM OR DON'T.
if you want to discuss whether or not he's up to another character's level, take it somewhere else. i'm sick of seeing this type of shit infecting threads.
it was during danny's time promenading as daredevil, and matt seemed to be controlling the situation. used his billy club to bop danny in the head, etc. he mentioned that danny was trying to emulate the daredevil style, but given that matt mixes boxing with acrobatics with ninja shit with beating people up, it's not like that should've been too hard for danny.
anyway, matt's taken down guys stronger than him, so even danny's "chi-amping" wouldn't swing the fight much. i suspect it'd come down to who could hit who more often and harder, and who could stay on their feet longer. and, even with his iron fist, i think danny's second place to matt. this would be a good question to put to brubaker, considering his hand in writing both characters at the moment.
never read contest of champions. and when he was "shredding vibranium like it was paper" [i assume you're referring to the "return of the dragon" arc in black panther] he was under mind control and his powers were amped so that he could make every punch an iron fist. and it took him how long to actually get his first hit in? and t'challa still didn't pass out because of the attack.
so, in a fair fight, that situation just doesn't seem likely. i like danny a lot, and give him his proper respect, but i just don't think he'd take matt down in a fair fight. like i said, though, if the immortal iron fist series keeps going like it is, i fully expect to have my mind changed.
That's not the first time Danny's used a long lasting Iron Fist attack. Even in Brubaker's series he was able to hold it for a long duration while battling Hydra.
I think it just has to do with how much he wants to amplify himself, and the fact that in earlier showings he was younger and less experienced as well.
his chi well would run dry much more quickly. after his power was stolen and returned to him, he seemed to be able to use the power at longer length before running out. and now, with brubaker's new interpretation that the chi of shou-lao is an ocean into which the iron fist run, or whatever, he's got seemingly more to work with. that, and the book he received, will eventually pump him up a whole lot. he's already seemingly learned the hypnosis fist and part of the "lightning from god" trick.
but, at the time he appeared in black panther, it was still quite beyond his scope to continue as long as he did with his iron fists flaring. and, he had chi streaming out of his eyes. it was very obvious his powers had been altered/amped.
I've only read two issues of Immortal Iron Fist thus far, but in his fight against Hydra he's constantly using his chi isn't he? That alone should indicate that his powers have either changed or been amplified a lot.
Then again, isn't it only natural that his "chi storage" would grow over the years?
compare throwing a lot of iron fists v. running around with chi streaming from his eyes, leaving trails of energy after his punches and being seemingly incapable of turning the iron fist off. there's a big difference. it's possible chiantang's manipulations had lasting effects on danny, but it's the single greatest continuous use of energy danny's ever put out in a fight. it was an obvious tampering at that time; and even in brubaker and fraction's stuff, he has yet to do anything that shows that high level of expenditure. but, as i've said a few times, i'm not beyond having my opinion changed; particularly in the upcoming war of the seven cities arc.
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