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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I believe it was along the lines of:
A member of the audience mentioned that God brings a measure of comfort to some people.
"Just because it's comforting doesn't make it true," replied Dawkins.
I don't see the problem with this. You can flower this statement up to sound less blunt but what's the issue?
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Apr 27th, 2008 01:52 PM
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This raises a question that I have: when an Atheist is inevitably elected to be President of the United States, and when they die, what will their state funeral be like? It certainly won't be held at the Washington National Cathedral which was the case with past presidents. And when the sitting president and former presidents give eulogies, will use of the word "God" be banned? Just something I wonder.
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May 6th, 2008 05:42 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
This raises a question that I have: when an Atheist is inevitably elected to be President of the United States, and when they die, what will their state funeral be like? It certainly won't be held at the Washington National Cathedral which was the case with past presidents. And when the sitting president and former presidents give eulogies, will use of the word "God" be banned? Just something I wonder.
I think eulogies are the personal decision of the speaker.
Also, not every president has their funeral at the Washington National Cathedral.
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May 6th, 2008 07:52 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
This raises a question that I have: when an Atheist is inevitably elected to be President of the United States, and when they die, what will their state funeral be like? It certainly won't be held at the Washington National Cathedral which was the case with past presidents. And when the sitting president and former presidents give eulogies, will use of the word "God" be banned? Just something I wonder.
Not every Athiest is as petty as the ones you meet online. I'm sure anyone with the capacity to be elected President would have the basic level of empathy needed to not forbid people from expressing themselves at his/her funeral. Moreover by the time a professed Athiest is elected to the US Presidency I would think that religious differences would have long ceased to be any sort of issue.
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May 6th, 2008 11:51 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not every Athiest is as petty as the ones you meet online. I'm sure anyone with the capacity to be elected President would have the basic level of empathy needed to not forbid people from expressing themselves at his/her funeral. Moreover by the time a professed Athiest is elected to the US Presidency I would think that religious differences would have long ceased to be any sort of issue.
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May 6th, 2008 02:17 PM
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how is it petty for an atheist to not want religious propagandizing at their funeral?
is it petty for Christians not to want Muslim funeral services?
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May 6th, 2008 03:42 PM
Quiero Mota
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bardock42
I think eulogies are the personal decision of the speaker.
Also, not every president has their funeral at the Washington National Cathedral.
Of course its the speaker's decision, but it would be a little awkward to say "He is with God now" if the person was an Atheist. Don't you think?
All presidential funerals were of a religious nature; at a church, with a choir, presided over by a religious official of some kind, and so on.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not every Athiest is as petty as the ones you meet online. I'm sure anyone with the capacity to be elected President would have the basic level of empathy needed to not forbid people from expressing themselves at his/her funeral. Moreover by the time a professed Athiest is elected to the US Presidency I would think that religious differences would have long ceased to be any sort of issue.
I'm not talking about ones online.
It won't be too far in the future when it happens. And I pity him/her because the media will make a big deal out of their beliefs.
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May 6th, 2008 03:46 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Of course its the speaker's decision, but it would be a little awkward to say "He is with God now" if the person was an Atheist. Don't you think?
All presidential funerals were of a religious nature; at a church, with a choir, presided over by a religious official of some kind, and so on.
Yeah, so I doubt they will do it. But it won't be banned, I'd assume.
Yeah, but not a set one. So I assume an atheist president would get the service, he or she would want.
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May 6th, 2008 04:27 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by inimalist
how is it petty for an atheist to not want religious propagandizing at their funeral?
is it petty for Christians not to want Muslim funeral services?
To forbid the simple mention of Allah's name would be petty. Turning one's own death into a soapbox for religious proselytizing is petty no matter who does it or how.
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May 6th, 2008 07:14 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It won't be too far in the future when it happens. And I pity him/her because the media will make a big deal out of their beliefs.
As long as we're at a point where Americans are a) more concerned with religion than issues and b) many define their morals via religion I simply do not see a professed Atheist being elected to such a high office.
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May 6th, 2008 07:16 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To forbid the simple mention of Allah's name would be petty. Turning one's own death into a soapbox for religious proselytizing is petty no matter who does it or how.
ok, I'm in total agreement
I must have misunderstood
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May 6th, 2008 07:16 PM
Quiero Mota
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As long as we're at a point where Americans are a) more concerned with religion than issues and b) many define their morals via religion I simply do not see a professed Atheist being elected to such a high office.
If you haven't noticed, we have a woman and a black guy running for President. So why is an Atheist so far-fetched?
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May 6th, 2008 08:41 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If you haven't noticed, we have a woman and a black guy running for President. So why is an Atheist so far-fetched?
According to official polls there are 50% women in the US. 13% Blacks plus a big ass guilt trip in their favour. But only 5% Atheists.
That could be a reason. Though, I don't disagree with you. It is possible that one becomes president in the near future.
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May 6th, 2008 08:51 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If you haven't noticed, we have a woman and a black guy running for President. So why is an Atheist so far-fetched?
Because atheist are worse than Satan worshipers
If an Atheist does run I’m pretty sure they would have to run under the Democratic ticket, the religious supporters on the Republic side wouldn’t support a non-believer.
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May 6th, 2008 08:52 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bardock42
According to official polls there are 50% women in the US. 13% Blacks plus a big ass guilt trip in their favour. But only 5% Atheists.
Essentially my reasoning.
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May 6th, 2008 08:54 PM
Quiero Mota
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Essentially my reasoning.
That's also my reasoning; its 2008 and people are starting to get over 50's era preconcieved notions. At one time Blacks were 3/5th's of a person, women had no job besides being barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, and Athiest were seen as tools of the devil. Thngs change.
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May 6th, 2008 09:12 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That's also my reasoning; its 2008 and people are starting to get over 50's era preconcieved notions. At one time Blacks were 3/5th's of a person, women had no job besides being barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, and Athiest were seen as tools of the devil. Thngs change.
Well considering that 4/5 of the world population believes in religion I think that it will be a long time before you see an Atheist in the White House.
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May 6th, 2008 09:18 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That's also my reasoning; its 2008 and people are starting to get over 50's era preconcieved notions. At one time Blacks were 3/5th's of a person, women had no job besides being barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, and Athiest were seen as tools of the devil. Thngs change.
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We're not going to have an Atheist president for a long time.
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