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Hercules vs Thor Slugfest
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Meh. OP says right off the bat, no hammer for Thor. And the title says slugfest. To me that implies H2H.


Doesn't matter, Thor takes it 10 out of 10 either way, be it plain hand to hand or magic allowed.


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Unfortunately Hercules' slight edge in skill won't make up for Thor's ridiculous strength advantage once he goes into warrior madness. Hercules won't beat him. Thor was there to get the pig back and beat some sense into Hercules, in an actual battle Thor would end up killing him.



Once he goes into WM? You say this as if it's one of his regular battle tactics. Why wouldn't he have used it in all his battles then, like when he was getting stomped by Kurse, Mangog, Thanos, etc. What makes you so sure he will be doing it here?

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Thor was there to get the pig back and beat some sense into Hercules, in an actual battle Thor would end up killing him.


And Hercules was drunk, in an actual h2h he would be even more superior to Thor.

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Once he goes into WM? You say this as if it's one of his regular battle tactics. Why wouldn't he have used it in all his battles then, like when he was getting stomped by Kurse, Mangog, Thanos, etc. What makes you so sure he will be doing it here?


It's a part of Thor's powerset, go check out the rules before discussing stupid things like this. Flash doesn't usually automatically beat the shit out everyone before a second has passed, but he can still do it.

He didn't do it against Mangog or Thanos because (If you read avengers often enough, you'd know this) he was too human at the time. He mentioned during the Onslaught Saga that he was temporarily without the ability to invoke the ancient warrior madness.


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It's a part of Thor's powerset, go check out the rules before discussing stupid things like this. Flash doesn't usually automatically beat the shit out everyone before a second has passed, but he can still do it.

He didn't do it against Mangog or Thanos because (If you read avengers often enough, you'd know this) he was too human at the time. He mentioned during the Onslaught Saga that he was temporarily without the ability to invoke the ancient warrior madness.



So because it's a part of his powerset it makes it valid even though he never ever does it? That doesn't make sense. I mean, to say he might pull it out once or twice I'd understand but to say he'd stomp 10/10 because of it is laughable. Check the rules? The rules state they fight in character, is it in character for Thor to go into WM in every single fight? Especially against a friend? Personally I don't think so, but to each their own.

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Immortal Hercules fared pretty well against mindless Hulk.


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herc is slighty better. but thor is stronger and much more durable. he wins based on physical stats


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Do you know what happens in the next scan?

Something with lightning and Hercules.


... Hercules was drunk!


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Your proof is a fight where Herc doesn't want to fight and a Hulk that is stronger than any one Thor has faced?

Do you remember why Hulk was brought up?

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Your proof is a fight where Herc doesn't want to fight and a Hulk that is stronger than any one Thor has faced?

Do you remember why Hulk was brought up?


Herc has a pretty good track record against the Hulk hasn't he? But I've never seen him stand and physically stalemate, usually Herc uses skill to keep Hulk on his toes?

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So because it's a part of his powerset it makes it valid even though he never ever does it? That doesn't make sense. I mean, to say he might pull it out once or twice I'd understand but to say he'd stomp 10/10 because of it is laughable. Check the rules? The rules state they fight in character, is it in character for Thor to go into WM in every single fight? Especially against a friend? Personally I don't think so, but to each their own.


The same tactic is viable every single time. Hercules and Thor won't be able to drop eachother with a couple of punches, it would take a long time. Hercules and Thor can both survive ridiculous wounds such as losing an arms, muscles ripped and still keep on going. In an incident where these two really wanted to win, they would keep on pushing eachother and in the end Thor would get so mad that it would snap, and bam. Hercules is dead.

On KMC the characters use their abilities to their full extent. Thor has the ability to invoke the warrior madness. Continue discussing this if you want, but once more and it's ignore...


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When did Thor "invoke" warrior madness....
I thought he has been afflicted with it like it was a disease and not a skill like barbarian rage in diablo/dnd

Wasn't that the issue where Odin battles thanos when thanos was actually trying to help?
Or when surfer tries to hold back Thor? Without hurting him?

I remember one issue where Odin said since Thor didn't have true warrior madness he believed e could cure his son...


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herc ftw.

more skilled at h2h


That's what I was thinking. Unless Hercules is extremely drunk, I don't see Thor outlasting him if it comes down to a wrestling match.


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Unfortunately Hercules' slight edge in skill won't make up for Thor's ridiculous strength advantage once he goes into warrior madness. Hercules won't beat him. Thor was there to get the pig back and beat some sense into Hercules, in an actual battle Thor would end up killing him.

Right, right. You mean Thor's strength advantage that... doesn't exist.

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Your proof is a fight where Herc doesn't want to fight and a Hulk that is stronger than any one Thor has faced?

Do you remember why Hulk was brought up?


Could use the time where Hulk was beating the crap out of him, Namor, Iron Man and Wonderman, but this story always come back, I wanted to use something different.


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The same tactic is viable every single time. Hercules and Thor won't be able to drop eachother with a couple of punches, it would take a long time. Hercules and Thor can both survive ridiculous wounds such as losing an arms, muscles ripped and still keep on going. In an incident where these two really wanted to win, they would keep on pushing eachother and in the end Thor would get so mad that it would snap, and bam. Hercules is dead.

On KMC the characters use their abilities to their full extent. Thor has the ability to invoke the warrior madness. Continue discussing this if you want, but once more and it's ignore... [/B]



Oh no, not ignore, whatever will I do. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Characters use their abilities to their full extent but still fight in character. These fights aren't based entirely on powersets. Thor never goes into WM so saying all of a sudden he will use it in every fight is out of character, so it's not viable. Exactly how many times in his 40+ year history has he been in WM? How many times has he willingly gone into WM to win a fight? Like I said if you said 1, 2 times outta 10 maybe but to say he will do it 10/10 when I can count on 1 hand the amount of times he's been in it in forty years is a joke.

Go ahead you can put me on ignore now.

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Right, right. You mean Thor's strength advantage that... doesn't exist.


Once Thor goes into warriror madness his strength increases tenfold :/


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Not really, but thanks for playing.

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in a recent issue, thor was sort of losing to herc in a hand to hand fight, thor even stated "it is herculese after all". but while thor was getting choked or something, he created a lightning bolt without mjolnir that gave him the win.


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