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Starscream M
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Originally posted by I'm Bran
I didn't say that.

You brought up a point about bios being the concrete stuff though.

If it happens occasionally, then it simply isn't 10 tons, and if it's 10 tons based on a bio, then who gives a shit? If the same writer who says that Spider-Man is a 10 tonner has him lifting a 100 ton object, then it's unintentional, and most likely not usable (nevermind that Spider-Man would be lifting 100 tons...).

ah sorry...I was actualy responding to Smurph

anyways, I agree with your assessment of the spiderman example

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well, Thor doesn't consistently lift anything close to the midgard serpent yet I've seen that feat used often

Thor has never had an established limit though either...

He's never really had trouble lifting anything, and even managed to lift the Midgard Serpent's 'paw' when he had a brittle spell placed on him.

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You seem to imply that speed of thought > C...

Flash CAN speed up his mind.

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Originally posted by Starscream M
well, Thor doesn't consistently lift anything close to the midgard serpent yet I've seen that feat used often

How is that the same situation?

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Flash CAN speed up his mind.

Eh?
That didn't really answer his post...

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Originally posted by I'm Bran
Thor has never had an established limit though either...

He's never really had trouble lifting anything, and even managed to lift the Midgard Serpent's 'paw' when he had a brittle spell placed on him.

well I don't think most characters have an 'established' limit

their limit is known by their showings over time

I'd say thor's limit is around Hulk's initial angry strength since Hulk seems to be able to overpower Thor after awhile

meh...this all gets hard to quantify and compare

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well I don't think most characters have an 'established' limit

their limit is known by their showings over time

I'd say thor's limit is around Hulk's initial angry strength since Hulk seems to be able to overpower Thor after awhile

meh...this all gets hard to quantify and compare

When they massively exert themselves, or fail at lifting something, you got a limit.
Thor doesn't have that.

Sometimes. Sometimes he doesn't.

No doubt... you're comparing people with no limits established to Spider-Man, and then comparing him in some way to Flash...

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When they massively exert themselves, or fail at lifting something, you got a limit.
Thor doesn't have that.

Sometimes. Sometimes he doesn't.

No doubt... you're comparing people with no limits established to Spider-Man, and then comparing him in some way to Flash...

so for you, thor's strength is infinite currently?

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so for you, thor's strength is infinite currently?

I never said that.

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You seem to imply that speed of thought > C...

In comic logic it is actually flash said this himself laughing out loud

and wow this thread exploded

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Flash CAN speed up his mind.

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that's ****king retarded.

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you know what the real problem is if you accept that feat for Flash?

basically it makes Flash an unbeatable, god. Every opponent, even Superman or Silver Surfer moving at multiples light speed or close to it, would be complete statues to Flash were he capable of such speed. For him to lose would require readers to accept that Flash is a complete braindead moron.

basically, it's if Superman had a feat where he clapped his hands and the universe collapsed onto itself. If you were to accept such a feat, then if Superman were to lose to anyone short of Spectre, it would strike disbelief.

surfer has moved far far far faster than that. yes

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Originally posted by Starscream M
personally I think the KMC way of interpreting this event is to go by the numbers and feat...which means Flash was traveling at speeds vastly greater than light

KMC tends to snub writer intent since they give crap value to bios

bios are what set the intent for characters, after that writers can do whatever the hell they want with characters

if a 10 tonner lifts a tank that weighs over 60 tons, but since the writer didn't have a clue about what the tank weighs he wrote it like that. well on KMC, this character is now a class 60 because of this 'feat'...screw the fact that this guy was meant to be a class 10.

end rant.

that's not true at all.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
that's ****king retarded.

Indeed and one of the reasons why I've never been a fan of the Flash or any time controlling type characters.

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Not a Vs thread...

Closing.

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The blogger writes: "He ran a total of 17,500,000 miles in one hundred-thousandth of a microsecond. Multiply that by one hundred thousand to get the distance he can run in one second, and then that by sixty by the distance he can run in one minute, and then that by sixty again to get his mph. I got 6,300,000,000,000,000,000,000mph. 6.3 sextillion miles per. That�s 34,054,054,054,054,054 times the speed of light."

That's not what I got. The blogger made 2 errors.

1. Assuming Flash carried two people at once, he made 250,000 70-mile roundtrips. That's 17,500,000 miles (so far so good). Now the blogger makes his first mistake: 17,500,000 miles x 100,000 x 3600 = 6,300,000,000,000,000 or 6.3 quadrillion (not septillion) miles per hour. Let's simplify by keeping it per second: 17,500,000 x 100,000 = 1,750,000,000,000 or 1.75 trillion miles. Divide this by 186,000 and you get 9.4 million cee: far, Far, FAR less than what the blogger posted.

But all is not lost.

2. Second error: Flash carries two people at once, making 250,000 70-mile roundtrips for a total of 17,500,000 miles in .00001 (1/100,000th) of a microsecond, which is already 1/1,000,000th (.000001) of a second. So the blogger is wrong when he says "Multiply that by one hundred thousand to get the distance he can run in one second." Actually, multiply by 10^11 (100 billion) to see what Flash ran in one second.

This comes out to 1,750,000,000,000,000,000 (about 1.75 quintillion) miles in 1 second. Divide 1.75 quintillion by 186,000 and you get about 9.4 trillion cee. Even if Flash carried one person at a time, you get about 19 trillion cee.

Again, far, Far, FAR less than 34 quadrillion cee, but still very impressive.

Fun With Numbers smokin'

(PS, someone may want to check my math in case I messed up somewhere, but I think I got it right.)

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Wow, Smurph, I certainly didn't expect this from you. erm

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Originally posted by Starscream M
so for you, thor's strength is infinite currently?

He said that Thor doesn't have an established limit.

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Originally posted by Mindset
It was a rhetorical question.

Flash was still slower than Zoom after amping himself.

Haven't you figured it out yet? Wally slows down/jobs for his badguys.
He needed ampage to reach lightspeed instantly, so he could he stop and go like Zoom, but he had already been doing that in his comics for some time.

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Originally posted by Philosoph�a
Wow, Smurph, I certainly didn't expect this from you.

We never do the math ourselves if the total outcome of the feat is stated there, on panel.

Even if it doesn't make sense, it doesn't have to... it was still Flash running sub-lightspeed, unless Joe Kelly or DC have since said otherwise.

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