Not more than a casual fan of either character. But, I went back and looked through both of their respect threads and here are the only times I've seen them in anything close to a battle. In all three scans, Superman has the upper hand I would say.
Sorry, can't post links since I'm new. But, delete the spaces and they will work.
Flash punches Superman in the face to no effect really
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Superman says, "Wally is fast enough to see it coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it."
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Alternate reality where Superman is trying to take over the world.
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It's not like Wally West tries to hurt them in most of their encounters. If he did, he could easily steal his power set etc.
It's stupidity for the sake of plot.
Like I said for the sake of plot. He wasn't punching with the force of a White Dwarf Star, or using an Infinite Mass Punch. Throw out the need of a comic book plot, and Wally beats Superman.
The scan doesn't work, but I still know what you're talking about.
That is just silly.
Wally can't do anything about it? Lol.
Again for the sake of plot and most likely CIS.
Based on feats, and the rules, Wally would beat the "Super" out of Superman. Clark's best hope is something extreme like say Torquasm-Vo and even that, with Wally's power set, can possibly be rendered as not an option.
Alternate reality, like you said.
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Last edited by Rage.Of.Olympus on Apr 14th, 2009 at 05:09 PM
I give him a 9/10 (Mostly because I like Clark, and his proven that he is capable of defeating opponents even when the odds are against him, plus his a power house in his own righ. More so currently.).
in my opinion, only PIS would account for such a reversal of results. CIS does nothing. If Flash ever had to defeat Superman with a clear mind, he could and would despite being his friend and/or not always operating at peak levels. He knows what it would take to defeat Superman and would push Superman's limits, which would require his peak efforts. But I'm most likely just nitpicking with you about rule interpretation here.
I agree. Wally West should be more than capable of defeating Superman even with CIS on. He doesn't get weaker. He can still use all his powers, and he knows what Superman is capable off, and if he is going for the win, he will stop messing around.
PIS would have to happen as you stated for such a 180 reversal.
Wally West has all the tools necessary to get the clear, hard majority on Clark even with CIS on and he has shown when push comes to shove, he will utilize these tools.
With PIS it's completely different. It all depends on story/plot. Flash in my opinion, doesn't steal speed, nor does he hit with all his strenght. If he fights when blood lusted, or CIS off, then he can hit as hard as he wants, or steal speed.
By june we will see who is faster, flash or Superman
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Last edited by xJLxKing on Apr 14th, 2009 at 05:25 PM
Flash for the majority, imo. If it was just a question of speed, then i'd give superman a few wins, but wally's speed stealing and general kinetic powers just put him on another level, imo...
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