Pyron, you're just making yourself look dumb when you try to save face. You've already conceded, there's no need to keep looking silly.
And I already proved they could. Neo Exdeath was in the rift between universes when he said he would end existence, go play FF V. He wasn't just in FF V's universe when he said this, he was in the rift where the Void was housed that lets Gilgamesh travel between the universes. Exdeath > All of Zenosaga, he solos, end of thread.
Character statements aren't canon fact. If nothing says Ex Death can destroy multiple universes but himself, it's hyperbole.
And sorry but the only person who's conceded is you. Your ridiculous poisiton that we don't live in a universe is well..ridiculous.
The guide says we were created by a Big Bang. So does modern science. In fact, you're so wrong, both fictional and real science are allied against you and with me.
You've lost beyond all hope of salvation.
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You mean nothing but Exdeath, the main characters, the warriors of dawn, and any material that speaks on the subject says he could. Please stop disagreeing with canon.
And let me post the picture for you yet again:
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Its all in one, single universe, according to the creators themselves. I can't believe you're so blind that you think you know more than the perfect guide.
Having a big bang doesn't make it a universe, silly, especially not when the guide explicitly states in multiple places that the lower domain is simply part of the universe. If there were an explosion of matter in our already existing universe that formed a new galaxy, that wouldn't make that galaxy a new universe. Please stop disagreeing with the creators of both series.
Once again:
The diagram says one universe
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And again here it states that the lower domain is just one part of the universe.
The power of Anima is the power that "safely" eliminates only the lower domain -- the Dimensional Universe -- in order to avoid the worst-case situation where the entire universe would end up being allowed to collapse.
You've been exposed as ignorant of both xenosaga and final fantasy, and now you're just desperately grasping at straws like you usually do. Sorry sport, but all the available data sides with me.
Its different parts of a single universe. There are the lower and upper domains, and the lower domain has real and imaginary domains, but they all exist in a single universe as the diagram and quote state.
Yes it does. A Big Bang creates a universe. That's the whole definition of it.
Also guess what? The Xenosaga universe is OUR universe. So yes,a Big Bang makes a universe.
Guess what? You're forgetting my other quote from the Perfect Guide:
"the Failsafe would have activated, spreading across the entire universe in the blink of an eye"
Huh. chaos' power spreads to the entire universe...except his power is contained to teh Lower Domain.
So there you go. Big Bang + quote about the universe = you're wrong.
Now you're making up things. The Big Bang makes UNIVERSES. The official creators said the Lower Domain was made with a Big Bang.
And for the last time, this is our universe. It features our Earth, Jesus, all that. We are a universe.
I know more about Xenosaga and Final Fantays than you. You're ignoring scientific fact and making up lies.
You're a disgrace to both series.
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Well, going by that if they are linked like that, it would still take signifficant amounts of power to destroy a dimension from another dimension, and multiply that for each domain on top of that.
BUT, it pales in comparison to destroying multiple unrelated universes and timelines at once... by unlimited factors ...
Even if the Xenosaga has multiversal applications, Busting into unrelated universes is SIGNIFFICANTLY more difficult than doing it to a related one.
But admittedly, I know very little about the two game series beyond the superficial level with the exemption of FF8.
@ Pyron: A big bang? Thats a cosmic phenomenon thats theorised to create our physical universe, but doesnt affect incoporeal planes, like the psychic plane or the spiritual plane.
still, that would imply multiverse creation...
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Give it up Pyron, everything shown has shot you down. This debate is over, Exdeath can destroy multiple universes, Ultimecia can absorb them, and U-DO is confined to one dimension with a couple of domain in it.
Anyone notice how I've requested multiple times for evidence and fascist failed miserably?
Couldn't provide the evidence from the Dissidia Ultimania.
Couldn't provide the materials saying ExDeath can destroy multiple universes...
It's sad. You can't prove anything and your only real argument is ignoring sciencific fact.
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Exdeath and Ultimecia were about to before PIS stepped in. Exdeath was sitting in the rift between universes that Gilgamesh uses as a highway between FF V, VIII and XII and allowed the Void to get to Garland in FF I when he became Neo Exdeath and said he would destroy all existence. He had the infinite power of the Void and was at the crossroads of universes, he was about to rape existence.
And I'm the only one who has provided any direct evidence. I've quoted multiple FF games and provided scans from the xenosaga perfect guide. Your only "evidence" has been outright lying about what the perfect guide says the lower domain is, and trying to take one quote out of context to disprove the rest of the guide.
No, champ, thats not a character claim. The Void is stated by everyone involved to be something of infinite power capable of erasing existence. If it wasn't a big deal no one would worry about it, much less have risked their lives and traveled across two planets and the rif to stop Exdeath from obtaining it.
What? You haven't provided any quotes. You've said "this is said here" but that's not providing quotes from multiple games.
My evidence is knowing what the hell a Big Bang is and showing the guide clearly says the Lower Domain was made by one.
Which is obvious to anyone with a brain since the Lower Domain is our world...which is a universe and was made by the Big Bang.
Again, you ignore scientific fact and have nothing whatsoever on your side.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
If I had nothing on my side you wouldn't be ignoring the vast majority of the perfect guide, sport. If the lower domain was a universe they wouldn't call it a part of the universe and make a diagram showing it as simply being within the universe.
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