fact of the matter is many things are plot devices, negative lifestream is part of the plot, and so is a plot device etc, just as much as Omnislash is. omnislash is a move that at a particulour range Sephiroth is stufffed, its simply fact Sephiroth cannot react to Omnislash and no amount of 100% usage of his powers will change that unless your implying he was purposely not using any piower while being slashed to bits and defeated by Omnislash which obviously is not true.
The only way Sephiroth beats Cloud is if Cloud only uses his normal swordsmanship, the only way he can beat Cloud if Cloud wants to do Omnislash is if he is at good range and sending in his Neg lifestream.
No they say he wins in a straight up fight, which is what I agreed on because nothing in FF can fight against the negative lifestream, but in melee? not a chance, Clouds omnislash>>>>Sephiroths techniques.
It is simply truth that the creators have said that Sephiroth is greater then Cloud and that Sephiroth wasn't trying in the AC fight or even in any fight against Cloud.
Why?
Zack fights with Sephiroth, but is eventually disarmed and too injured to attack. Soon after, Cloud reaches the Nibelheim reactor and engages in a battle against Sephiroth. Cloud is quickly impaled through the stomach and hung over the reactor core by Sephiroth. Cloud, in a feat of strength, grabs the sword and pushes himself forward, and subsequently throws Sephiroth against a wall. Sephiroth, with Jenova's head, jumps into the reactor core in an attempt to reach the Promised Land.
Here Sephiroth was humiliated by a ShinRa grunt which he denys.
Sephiroth doesn't want to think that Cloud was ever or could ever do that SO he believes in his mind that Cloud is always a weakass and could never ever hope to beat him. Which is true unless Cloud gets toyed with for a while and his limit gets pushed giving him the Spirit Energy to perform Omnislash. IF Sephiroth doesn't underestimate or toy with Cloud then Sephiroth wins in an instant.
Remember Burning Thought: Cloud can't instantly use Omnislash. he is required to be beat up a fair bit.
Also you seem to think that Sephiroth is a worse swordsman then Cloud which is wrong, remember the creators say he wasn't trying in that fight, he wasn't sweating or panting at all whereas Cloud was giving it his all.
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Last edited by K1ll3r on Mar 10th, 2009 at 02:19 AM
wow its like you didnt even read what i was saying, i said that clouds omni slash wins everytime.
and also its not just the neg lifestream that makes seph stronger than cloud. The absolute only reason sephiroth loses to cloud is that he refuses to beleive that cloud can hurt him and so he messes with cloud when he could easily cut thru his sword and head end of story
limit breaks are a gameplay notion, can you find canon evidence that out of game Cloud requires to build up any limit to use Ominslash?
As I said, please show me canon evidence that suggests Cloud cannot do Omnislash right away.
No, when did I state this? infact you obviously did not read my posts because ive said that Cloud would die without Omnislash in a normal sword fight:
You just contradicted yourself so why should I read any of your posts in the first place?
you just said Clouds omnislash wins every time and then you go on to say the absolute only reason sephiroth loses to Cloud is because he messes with him......
Sephiroth has nothing to stop Omnislash, its too fast and once its started Sephiroth is busted.
Furthermore what reason do you have that I apprently ignored your post? I addressed the fact you called Ominslash a plot device power when most of Sephirtohs could be called the same.
For starters there's the fact that in canon we only know of two instances where he used it, both of them against the person he hates most. If he could pull it off willy nilly then he would use it more often.
Then there's the fact that he doesn't use it in AC until after he is worn out, wounded, and Sephiroth begins to taunt him, at which point we see a flood of memories flash through Cloud's mind to inspire him, building up enough rage and spirit energy to pull it off.
@ BT, you keep saying Cloud has omnislash, so he wins. By the time Cloud gets ready to use it, Sephiroth would have cut Cloud to a million pieces, because he can shoot beams out from his sword, speed blitz him, or teleport behind Cloud and kill him. Sephiroth can also use telekinesis so he can't move, then he cuts his head off.
Gets ready to use it? wtf......show me him, "getting ready" to use it....well no, sorry but Cloud will destroy Sephiroth while hes "getting ready" to use his sword beams in that case....
unfortunaltey not before Clouds instant Omnislash carves him into bits.
Your assuming/guessing, theres no offical statement that claims Cloud can only do it when he is angry. Its just a move like any other. And no he wouldnt use it more often because its "super" "special" move that stops Sephiroth, it would not be half as special if he used it every time he saw an enemy.
lol, you would know all about losing, unfortunaltey for you, you have zero credability.
No,silly. All the evidence is on my side here. He couldn't use the attack before wounded and angry, then seeing all sorts of things he wanted to protect flash in his mind. Omnislash isn't just a move, ok champ?
Sorry but, theres no actual official statement....
And its amusing that you started saying "champ" ever since I called you sport and chief months ago lol.....and since then youve been pwned by almost every debator you go up against and have even been stated to be a weak debator by a mod....
nobody will ever take you seriously, i think if ever you did bother to take your time to make a real argument your behaviour previously would still be enough to get you nothing but a laugh
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Mar 9th, 2009 11:27 AM
giving him the Spirit Energy to perform Omnislash. IF Sephiroth doesn't underestimate or toy with Cloud then Sephiroth wins in an instant.
