quick question. i get everything your saying, but it extremely angers me the way gumachi posts back, acting as if he doesnt get it, and sentences like "The only "real" lighting would probably be from Poseidon's Rage" make me even madder because 1. he completely ignored your question, and 2. this sentence is no where near fact becuase he is just saying something that hes not proving. It even suprises me ive gone this far without getting an official warning for flaming/bashing. Do you think he gets what your saying but is blatantly ignoring it or do you think he actually doesnt get it? And do his replies anger/annoy you? Becuase the only thing that satisfies me from you two arguing is the fact that you can prove him wrong in a simple way that he has no other choice to concede, so that being said if someone stupid was to argue against him and was not smart enough to point out his obvious flaws would be one arguement i couldnt watch.
and the zues using sound waves in battle joke was pretty funny lol.
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Last edited by Sappho on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 03:58 AM
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It's not like I wasn't the only person to say it wasn't real lighting. k1Lla441, if you have something to say to me--don't complain to TGE--say it to me, upfront. Please, don't criticize me.
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Last edited by Gumachi on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 04:04 AM
Everything ive said to him i try to explain to you every single time i argue against you; i even get to the point where i have to italicize and cap all my letters just to get a point accross.
But what makes me mad is you have no bases as to why its not "real lighting". If you even had a small, crappy arguement that could easily be negated i wouldnt care, but you have not even one theory as to why its not lighting, you simply say that its not. Its not the fact that you say it wasnt lightning, its the fact that you have no basis for this assumption.
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Well, my point was, if he could react to real lighting, why couldn't he react to anything else? Since I told you to be upfront, I admit his reactions arn't shitty. But still, why couldn't he react to the pillar?
I dont know, pis, he wasnt aware of it, he leg hurt, many things could have happened but actually see how good a category is of a certain fighter we have to take there best feat and use that. I dont care if he couldnt dodge a little girls slap, he still blocked lightning.
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Well, if you think about it, he wouldn't be aware of the lighting. When Ares threw that pillar, he was wide in the open. Both has react on lighting, and if you give Dante the Royal Guard, he could do the same. Well, Dante caught a bullet with his teeth See, I wonder if he could react to "actual" lighting that comes from the sky(it's kinda hard to explain what I mean when I say actual, so don't get pissy).
@4:26/5:06(how can he survive all of that btw lol?)Now, Zeus' bolts came faster than the pillar did.
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Last edited by Gumachi on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 04:28 AM
lightning travels at 60 thousand miles per second, while a bullet travels around 1000 miles an hour. hmm, dantes bullet catching feat does match up to kratos' feat. definitely. Dante could catch 100 bullets with his teeth all at the same time, its still not as good as blocking lightning.
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As I said, if you give him the RG he could block lighting. Besides, I don't really see a big deal when Kratos blocked the 'lighting storm'(not reflecting). I mean, he had no choice(And it "had" to happen. Kinda hard to explain what I mean).
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Last edited by Gumachi on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 04:38 AM
This "gameplay" occurrence is unavoidable, this context makes it usable in debate.
And Gumachi, that pillar was thrown from miles away, and Kratos was pre-occupied with moving Pandora's Box, he didn't see it coming, literally. So please STFU.
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Who gives a damn? Anyway, how do we know that the lighting Zeus was throwing was going at 60,000 miles per second? If it's that fast, how can it be seen by the human eye(sorry if I sound stupid)?
I don't seem him being busy with shit. Anyway, what does him blocking lighting prove?
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Last edited by Gumachi on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 03:28 PM
no it puts it under the bar of "gameplay", its influenced by gameplay, influenced by what players can do, what they cant etc, just because Zeus shoots a lightning bolt and the player can choose to reflect it does not even make it canon, infact Ive played that, I dont think you actually "have" to fire lightning bolts back at him if your talking about when you use the fleece to project back his lightning. Zeus lives in a fantasy universe, one that has shown in cinematics that Zeus can throw slower balls of lightning or blasts rather than actual bolts the way they are from the sky.
You can assume just because Zeus is the lightning God and he throws a stormy bolt that its immedialtey going as quick as real natural lightning from the sky.
It isn't optional. To complete the battle, it has to happen. You do not choose to fire back at him, you have to, and it is blocking. Zeus can throw balls of lightning that are clearly not bolts, those were bolts of lightning.
Why should we assume it is not? So Kain can be faster? Which he has never proven to be by the way.
A: there was an actual canon feat of him blocking lightning that is without a doubt under the same laws of physics as real lightning and is real lightning
B: Kain actually had tactics of walking up to characters and swinging a sword and not slowing them in time or slowing them in other ways or stoppng them moving all together.
No it doesnt.....you may have done it that way but tossing back lightning at Zeus is optional, its one of his attacks, blocking it with the fleece is an option the player can choose abliet the best option but still an option. You could just keep rolling to "dodge" the lightning.
We shouldnt assume anything tbh. The lightning Zeus fires is not the same as lightning from the sky, moving at incredible speeds. Stop reaching....
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Last edited by Burning thought on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 PM
1. How do I know that it is TK? I won't even dignify that question with a response. Once he is grabbed with TK he is helpless as a child? To actually lift him he would have to stop him, why would Kratos be standing still so Kain can grab him?
3. Another source? The Loom Chamber? Which he did not use to bring the Titans to Olympus? Nigga please.
4. Why assume he won't already be moving? Considering Kratos is primarily a melee fighter, he will be actively trying to close the distance. His neck is weaker overall, but for you to think it would not retain superhuman strength proportional to the rest of his body is complete stupidity, 1/10th of Kratos' strength feats would be sufficient to break Kain's TK, and by the way, the neck is far stronger than you think.
5. Kain too fast? For you to even compare Dante and Kain's speed like they are comparable at all is laughable. Kain is SLOOOOOOOW, slower than Kratos as the New Trailer clearly shows. Then again I am talking to the same guy who thought Kain impaling Moebius to a rock was greater speed than what Loz displayed lol. Teleporting miles away? Is Kain running away now?
1. So you dont know its TK...kool...and why would Kratos start off the match running.....not that it makes a diffrence on kain grabbing Kratos by the neck...
3. Ofcourse he used it to move the Titans, he changed his fate using the threads, do you think Kratos was using the threads and the loom chamber for a april fools joke or something and he had all these amazing time powers?
4. As I said, grab Kratos by the neck and he is doomed, he woud not be able to do anything at all, and running will not help him either.
5. The trailor shows nothing of the sort, and Dante will be constantly closing gaps, Kain will be eliminating every gap within an instant using teleportation....so okie, I was foolish at thking Dante is equel to Kains movement. Running away....no hes just taking the best options he can for eliminating both of these goofs as quickly as possible, he could just Repel shield and then take them out with a slash each from the reaver while their slowed in time.
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What does blocking lighting, have to do with Kain hitting him? He could get hit by a slow Barbarian hammer, also. Kratos isn't all that fast, atleast as you make it seem(if he's fast at all).
BT, if Kain slows time, Dante will disable it with QS, not only that, but Dante is resisted to soul-sucking.
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Last edited by Gumachi on Apr 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 AM
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Yeah, right. So your saying just because he reacted he automatcially is fast? Kratos is not all that fast, it would be easy to hit him(if he's fast at all). He shure moved pretty slow when Ares was about to hit him. If i'm not mistaken; He is wearing Hermes' boots(if he is, he must not be that fast).
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Apr 22nd, 2009 03:52 AM
See, I wonder if he could react to "actual" lighting that comes from the sky(it's kinda hard to explain what I mean when I say actual, so don't get pissy). 
