So the attack killed no one yet you are touting it like it's a death curse. The point is you saying he survived a creation blast when it in fact killed no one present isn't proof he can survive the un. The Spectre also held back and wasn't trying to kill the Am.
You have to resort to insults, iphone because I bury you. You are some chil dwho doesn't know how to manage a complete sentence, misspells various words, and doesn't read marvel comics so you don't have any room to talk.
Actually, you are like a child. You try to act as if you are always right and smart. What you are is a fiend. You are ignorant and the mere fact that you try to question what happens in a panel even those it was basically stated to you in bold letters.
Seriously, nothing is good enough for you.
A statement? No.
A feat? No.
A statement and a feat? No.
Of course this all changes if it's for you. SO yeah, it shows your ignorance. It shows that you want to be correct despite all the evidence against you.
Dude, I could care less about your crying or your opinion of me.
I have stated my opinion while yours is falsely comparing the un's nullifying powers to a creation blast of the Spectre while at the same time ignoring the fact the Spectre not the sorcerers who were ampiing him stated we can't kill Am.
Un erases him. It's this simple unless you have a credible argument.
First. The Spectre tried to Kill AM with his infinite energies. The only people able to hold back some power were the mages channelig their power into the Spectre, whose infinite energies weren't enough.
Fate stated they shouldn't kill him, not the Spectre. The Spectre under his own power couldn't kill the AM, which surely was his intention, with the help of the Mages he still wasn't powerful enough, not even to contain him completly.
When they saw the Viallains fail they gave him as much as they could which still wasn't enough to destroy the AM. The following "explosion" put the Spectre into a comatose state while it didn't kill the AM.
Fate even states later when fighting some shadow demons. "The Shadow-Demons are everywhere. That means the Anti-Monitor still lives." He believed the explosion at the dawn of creation had to be enough to kill the AM, and he saw he was wrong. So yeah, the AM should have been killed in the end, once the Villains failed but there was not enough power, even with the mages and spectre giving their best.
He was defeated once his powers were drained, PC Darkseid gave him his best shot and PC Superman finished him. Good showing for Supes fighting someone who had still the energies of his entiere Universe.
It's also quite funny how you try to prove an point "they didn't try to kill him" and acting like this prove alone is also the prove for the UN being greater then AM. The only thing that you might have proved would be that the mages didn't want to kill AM but this still wouldn't mean thet the UN > AM.
So AM >> UN, pretty obvious IMHO.
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Infinite really does mean a whole helluva lot though just saying. If he had infinite power what would be the point of an amp?
The Spectre wasn't powerful enough under his own power to defeat the Am who under my memory just had the powers of the heroes present anyways during the fight against the Spectre. That's not that impressive in terms of the Spectre needing an amp to contend with the powers of those heroes.
The sorcerers providing the Spectre with his amp stated they couldn't kill the Am meaning it wasn't attempted at these power levels to take Am's life.
Yes, they miscalculated but the creation blast hadn't destroyed the spectre or the Am. Someone being shocked at Am's continued existence still doesn't translate into surviving something that can wipe out the universe/multiverse with the press of a button whichever theory you prescribe to.
Am was eventually weakened and defeated by far less than a un. I am sure you don't believe the un can defeat the Am, but you don't have any solid proof or a good line of reasoning as to suggest why he would survive such a powerful weapon.
Un's feat is a lot more powerful/fatal than the creation blast with the heavy hitters we are are discussing here.
The creation blast didn't kill anyone on this level out of the two characters it directly affected.
When has the un failed to kill or destroy it's target?
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Infinite means a lot with beings like AM and Spectre.
AM = infinite energy. Spectre = infinite energy.
Infinite vs infinite = eternal stalemate. With hero amp AM > Spectre, so Spectre needed an amp too.
Dr. FATE stated that they don't want to kill him, the someone schocked that AM is still alive was... ehm... Dr. FATE!
When the Villains failed, Spectre was given all the power they could give and the following explosion, with the birth of the Multiverse, was still not enough to kill the AM, though it was enough to put the amped Spectre into coma.
AM was deafeated by a power drain through an plot character that was extra created for the CotIE. Luthor.
Still that wasn't enough and they needed PC Superman (a beast an an nexus being, everything comes from Superman after all) and the best Shot of PC Darkseid. That is >>> UN IMHO.
The UN feats being more powerful is just your opinion mine differs. The birth of the Multiverse and an amped Spectre fighting you is more then "just" an UN.
The UN failed to kill Magnus with an incomplete IG which is still just <= 1 Universe.
Don't misunderstand me. The UN is powerful, Multiversal. But it's not enough for beings Like AM, Spectre or LT.
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I think the Am's only power available to him was the heroes power so to me it wasn't necessarily an amp at the time.
Yes, so in translation after the creation blast took place which killed neither he was shocked am was still alive. Prior to the creation blast the Spectre wasn't getting enough power to kill him because of the heroes.
Everything coming from Superman means nothing on a vs. board. He gets stomped by kingdom Gog and has been humiliated by various beings who the universe doesn't run through.
The Spectre was also actively resisting their efforts later on in the story and he wasn't dead so your point is?
The ig can manipulate the energies of the un with a thought which the Am cannot. he gets hit he dies. It's pretty simple.
Comparing the ig to the Am is laughable at best. Supergirl wrecked him earlier on his shell anyways prior to coming back with stronger armor.
The creation blast killed neither character while the un has failed to kill who when it hits something/someone?
The un would erase the Spectre imo and the Am just not the Lt. Lt's on a whole other power scale than someone who gets easily taken over by a black lantern's ring. Just sayin.
The simple fact that its debatable whether or not the UN can kill AM to me says Anti-Monitor is above Galactus, which some of you argue against to death.
WHat's the situation? Is the AM just sitting back and saying "sock it to me!" to whoever has the UN? If so then I can see the UN possibly working on him, at least weakening him like it did to MJJ. If its a fight though and the user is inexperienced AM wins hands down. The UN user would actually do better to try and nullify the AM universe to weaken the Monitor.
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which is still just <= 1 Universe.
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