Are we taking into account they're powers and superhuman abilities or just skill in martial arts and H2H combat?
For example: Batman is more skilled and devoted to martial arts than Steve Rogers. Rogers' enhancements would give him a slight edge in the physical stats department, however.
The same goes for Slade. Slade isn't on either Batman or Cap's level as far as raw H2H skill goes; but he dwarfs them(or Bruce atleast) in physical stats.
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Iron Fist
Wolverine
Cassandra Cain
Deathstroke
Richard Dragon
Elektra
Lady Shiva
Captain America
Daredevil
Batman
Black Panther
Nightwing
Bullseye
Pure Skill
Richard Dragon
Elektra
Lady Shiva
Cassandra Cain
Batman
Shang Chi
Iron Fist
Captain America
Wolverine
Daredevil
Nightwing
Black Panther
Bullseye
Deathstroke
Rough list; alot of it is debatable but that's how I see it today.
dude, i respect you as a poster, but this is pretty butthurt
Someone had to be at the bottom, wouldn't you rather see Bullseye there over punisher? I mean realistically, Pun would place pretty low on here aswell.
Just sayin'
Bronze tiger isnt here either, nor is taskmaster or deadpool or a host of others that could be if this was a list of the 'absolute best' but it isnt, and theres no slight to punisher here, just from not being included.
He knocked him off a train after he'd only recently had his skull beaten in by Tim Drake, was in the middle of breakdown, and had completely immobilised Dick earlier and given up that advantage to move a curtain.
That Dick failed to outright KO him after that is not exactly a boost to his H2H skills IMO.
In the fight with Tim the only real damage he received was three crowbars that didn't manage anything but draw blood, as he managed to stab Tim and laugh about it. And it's quite hypocritical to use a previous fight as excuse of the character not being 100% in a latter confrontation, when Jason started the one with Dick just after Grayson had been electrocuted, which made him scream in pain and had him on the ground. Even more, you're bringing up when Jason had Dick imobilized -- when it happened due to the scarecrow gas (which you conveniently didn't mention), that Jason used when he was getting his ass handed to him h2h by Dick.
Dick was portrayed as dominantly superior in hand to hand throughout that fight and Jason mostly resorted to cheap tricks like scarecrow gas, explosions to get an advantage.;, you're grossly missexagerating his 'mental breakdown' that had no bearing on the actual fight, and it was Dick who was struggling to keep his mind clear throughout the fight (funny how that turns out) due to being worried for Tim, as he explicitly states. Furthermore, like I said, you're ommiting vital details (how Jason had him "completly immobilised but gave that advantage up to move a curtain") or bringing up other scenes (Tim hitting him with the crowbar) as proof of him being not full speed, while ignoring more clear-cut ones like Dick being electrocuted.
I could post the scans, but we both know you don't want that.
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Last edited by Philosophía on Jun 4th, 2010 at 01:38 PM
Yeah, Batman also stopped Cassandra in No Man's Land pretty much using one hand the whole time. I believe he blocked with the offhand once.
He was purposely showing her his clear superiority.
"I can stop them. I can stop them all."
Bruce also stalemated Shiva twice, even one where she was coming with weapons, and defeated her once, though it was unknown if she was mind-controlled.
Has has won or stalemated with them in every confrontation, and neither has defeated him.
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Jun 3rd, 2010 07:20 AM
now GTFO! 
