I think it amped him but he simply didn't seem significantly stronger as some like to pretend he was. When he engaged the Infinity Watch again, he didn't do anything I would have put past him before. The only thing that stands out was when it was pointed out he was tapping into the Gem to counter Warlock and Strange's attacks. We actually saw him start growing stronger in that scene.
If it was acknowledge that Thor could hang with Thanos regularly to at least some extent -as he briefly showed in the past- I don't see why Thor would have to be amped significantly to...hang with Thanos. I do think he was amped, that's just common sense.
But yea, to each his own.
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From all the statements in that comic from different characters made in reference to how powerful Thor had become with the power Gem it is completely clear that it was meant to be a significant amp. The writers didnt include all those proclamations about how powerful he had just become with it just for kicks, Seriously..........
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All the statements? The only thing that stood out to me was Norrin's comment. That Thor was more powerful than them combined at this point. Norrin previously said that Asgard wouldn't stand a chance if Thor harnessed the Power Gem. Which I agree with.
Other than that, Warlock stated that Thor was now nearly unstoppable as he possessed the Gem and a threat to the Universe in his current mental state. That doesn't impress me personally. Not if we look back at his comments on Thor previously. Unstoppable fighting machine, one of the most physically powerful beings in the Universe etc. It also a bit too vague for also to determine at what level Thor is operating at. It does indicate that Thor is more powerful or at least would be. Which is common sense. At least by the way he phrased it.
I simply don't understand why Thor would have to be significantly amped to accomplish what he'd nearly be able to do any normal day as stated in that story. I simply don't the logic in it.
Could he become significantly more powerful? Sure. I however didn't see the obvious boost in strength/performance that you all apparently have.
Knocking around Maxam, Surfer, and Drax or taking on Thanos isn't beyond an unamped Thor.
But like Galan said, to each his own. Different intrepetations and all. I'll think I'll stop here unless you have something else to debate.
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............There were numerous statements that indicated the impact of the power gem amp. There was Surfers statement as u mentioned which talked about the power gem making the power of all of them combined, like nothing to Thor. Then there was Thors own statement in which he mentioned how he immediately felt the power of the gem as soon as he picked it up and then as he put it on he commented on how he had then gained the power to destroy Asgard.This statement was then re-enforced by the statement from warlock talking about him now being a threat to the universe with the gem and then a later statement from warlock when they were just about to engage thor, referring to how the power gem greatly reduced their chances in a fight against thor. Heck as soon as Thor obtained the power Gem, it caused Pip and the infinity watch to actually have to run away because they were suddenly way outta their league
The continued emphasis the writers place on the power the gem through the statements of multiple characters including Thor himself is FAR to clear to simply be discounted. If the power gem was a slight and insignificant amp, then the large gap in power between them that it caused and the huge threat it made Thor would not have been continuously re-emphasized multiple times across the entire story arc.
Pips statement that Thor could give Thanos a good old scrap normally, isnt a basis for the gem being only a slight amp either considering how he then said that the Gem made Thor into a "real monster" and he then had cause to worry about Thanos well being. Its equivalent to saying that "before he was good, but now he is amazing" which itself indicaes a significant bump in power. Hence the statement is still in line the tone and mood of the other statements describing Thors new powerlevel within the arc
Within the story prior to obtaining the gem, Thor was shown to beat Surfer and Warlock, and then he and valkyrie were getting the better of Drax,Maxam,Gamora,Pip, and Moondragon. Extremely impressive no doubt. But to jump from that power level to one in which the combined might of Surfer, Dr Strange, Adam Warlock, Moon Dragon, Drax, Maxam, Gamora and Pip was nothing to him alone indicates a very significant boost indeed.
A boost to a powerlevel that neither a regular Thor portrayed outside of Blood and Thunder, nor the mad Thor portrayed in Blood and thunder prior to obtaining the Power Gem showed or were indicated to operate at.
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Last edited by Naija boy on Aug 10th, 2010 at 08:06 PM
Pretty much spot on Naija. You must remember Rage wishes Thor could do what he did with the PG on each and everyday of the week. Thus, when discussions like this happen.. he brings to the table what he wishes not what the reality is.
spider-man nothing
namor knocks him back but nothing
hercules if immortal draws some blood
black adam draws some blood
thor draws some blood
superman draws some blood
king thor knocks a teeth out
superboy prime knocks a teeth out
superman 1 million (kal kent) knocks a/some teeth out
I must say Prime has better durability feats than Thanos. Entire Green Lantern Core and an exploding Guardian of the Universe with the power of Oa? Thats reality tearing my friend not just galaxy rending. Besides I posted elsewhere if Prime was able to go to the Source Wall and 5th dimension, is immune to reality warping due to technically being outside the multiverse, is in the future Time Trapper an uber mystic, tanked two galaxies of heroes and villains between on panel and off (not all at once of course) he could probably wack Thanos pretty good. I mean he did take on the entire green lantern corps 2 supermen, a living planet, was driven through a red sun and still beat all of them except for 1 superman due to the fact they both lost their powers and he was just physically younger and not in his prime. Also if Prime could smack Thanos DC 1,000,000 laughs too hard in his direction and kills him.
Some will disagree with you here as this is REAL science logic and many like to use comic logic. Top tiers and herald characters have tanked mega shit like planet explosions yet it is understood that top tiers can always hurt them with their blows.
Now arguing real science. The planet explosion wasn't concentrated on Thanos. Thanos was receiving less than 1 billionth of the total force of the exploding planet since Thanos has less than a billionth of the total surface area of the planet. Someone capable of destroying a planet in 1 blow would do astronomically more damage to Thanos since the blow is ALL concentrated on him and not spread omnidirectional. The feat is still impressive nonetheless but not nearly as much as you think. Plus that is 1 feat. Surviving a black hole is astronomically greater than that planet feat.
IMO. Thanos would survive all except Superman 1 million and SBP (if he hits with dimension destroying power). King Thor could kill him or seriously put him near death if he hit Thanos with a hammer slam though (not his fist). Namor would sting him. Hercules, Superman, Thor, and BA would rock him and stun him momentarily but Thanos would be okay (maybe has a bruise or blood drawn). Spider-man wouldn't do anything.
The power gem wasn't emphasized really anywhere. I read the story several times and don't recall the power gem being emphasized anywhere near the degree you making it out to be. Some parts you named are ambiguous or hypebole. It is clear that Thor was amped. But it wasn't clear to how much he was amped. Thor had no strength feats that showed he was above his normal self. The only feat that comes to mind (not a strength feat though) is when Thor used the gem to turn Warlock's and Strange power back at them.
IMO Thor without the power gem could have done the same things (except the Strange and Warlock feat). What made Thor more dangerous was not him having the power gem but the fact that he wasn't holding back anymore and was blood lusted.
Horseshit, Thor took a full two handed blast from Thanos with no effect, yet a weaker Thanos rocked Thor with a single eye beam, do you think Thor could beat down Surfer,Strange, and the Infinity watch without the power gem.
Hia8 makes me laugh... He reads comics and when it comes
To vs battles tries to apply things that shouldn't.... Real science says superman can't fly or shoot lasers from his eyes
Or have a breath he can breath less than absolute zero...
In any forum match applying real science superman is defeated by science which says superman doesn't exist.
I poop on you....
And as for rage... Najia is leaning towards the victor with his comments... Although Thor does have good feats outside that arc... I remember reading along the same thibgs that implied thors increase in power...
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