Like I said, your extrapolation is irrelevant. It doesnt have to make sense according to real world laws. Comics "physics" change from one panel to the next. All superpowers violate laws of physics anyway.
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This thread is moving too fast.
I'll repost the math here.
He traveled a distance of 70 miles carrying 1 person sometimes two, so let's say he carried 1.5 people each time. Which means he travelled 70 miles 354,667 times. (Half a million people). That makes 24,826,690 miles. He does that in .00001 MICROSECONDS, that is 10^(-11) seconds.
That means he was travelling 2,482,669,000,000,000,000 mps, or about 2.5 quintillion miles per second. That is approximately 13 trillion times the speed of light. Holy shit. (please log in to view the image)
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Well now you would have to prove the speed of light is different in DC and debunk thousands or arguments throughout the debates in KMC.
This isn't a "slightly different" amount we're talking about here, this is a vastly different amount. Lightspeed is lightspeed, 100lbs is 100lbs. If someone proves that lightspeed is suddenly different (especially considering the feats they do and the scientific explanations for light speed, I'll concede my point).
Not really, even if lightspeed is the same, their world doesnt work like ours and there is no consistancy to its mechanics. The point is that these math extrapolations are futile because this is obvioulsy a **** up by the writer and the math doesn't refute the actual story, which as far as these debates are concerned is the word of god itself.
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Hey I didn't say I thought it wasn't a crazy feat. It is. I was simply saying he did it and it isn't his best feat.
My whole point was that he did move 2.5 quintillion miles per second. Maybe we'll have to start calling it something else besides lightspeed. Since 2.5 quintillion miles per second is the new lightspeed lol.
Don't get me wrong here, I think it is a nuts feat. <----
only that the speed of light isnt very consistent...
one second the speed of light is only as fast as the laser being raced next it is fast enough to reach another planet in a matter of seconds..
next ppl think flash once in the FTL moment can amplify it further by moving his hands and feet at FTL apart from his already moving at ftl.. that is insane and impossible...
next, once some one else reaches faster then light both are at normal speed and its just two guys fighting without speed powers..
then in another moment flash states he can only reach FTL speed any attempt to go further causes him to go into the speed field a dimensional aperture.
next you have him stating that in order to fight guys like zoom he needs to "speed up" to within the tick of a tock where zoom resides.
in order to compensate zooms temporal manipulation powers and circumvent it if not simulate it with his speed..
which again means he needs to go just a lil above faster then light or double or whatever..
also in another scan you have him again state he can only go at ftl speed and requires outside assistance to supersedes it using gadgets like giant hamster wheels...
again flash was never intended to move beyond light speed let alone FTL squared or anything that retarted on his own.
Dude what you're saying would make sense if comics were pillars of consistancy, but I think we can agree that they're far from it. Little inconsistancies and outright major error's happen all the time, that's why sometimes you just got to ignore the stuff that doesn't make sense. He did the feat at sub light speed, it was outright stated on panel.
That's not to say that Flash doesn't have feats were he far surpasses the speed of light, but this one doesn't qualify as such.
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Hey like I said it is a crazy feat, but he still did it. Furthermore he does have some crazier feats like going -1 (if I remember correctly) and making duplicates of himself.
Originally I was pointing it out tongue and cheek but some people "coughkingcastlecough" made a huge ordeal about it. It's not something I generally regularly bring up anyways. It was unintentional/intentional I'm sure, but it did happen. But honestly the fact that the writer didn't bother checking something that absurd makes it more the reason it should count. Since he just wrote something down.
But I still stand by my point that what happens goes over what was said, in real life and in comics. You know I respect your opinion though.
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You cannot prove its a **** up by the writer unless he states his intention as being clearly different than what C-Master's calculations have given us, all we can do is take the figures we have at face-value and realize they are what they are supposed to be.
Simply saying 'mechanics are different' is too vague to mean a damn thing really. HOW are they different? What is causing flash's feat here to not be what it realistically would be? Light speed is meant to be Light Speed. Mileage is Mileage, and more specifically microsecond figures are microsecond figures.
Math doesn't refute the story sure, but we don't even know if there's a case to refute in the first place. Unless we present C-Master's trillions times lightspeed or whatever it was figure to the writer and the writer clearly repeals details of the comic on the case that C-Master's figure is not what he had intended for the feat, then its valid.
The point of calcs is to compare feats where visually alone it is impossible to make an exact judgement call.
EDIT: LOL never mind I recant this post. It clearly says his intention was for it be just short of speed of light. Anyway, **** that writer for being so damn stupid.
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Oh he definately did it... but he did it at sub light speed .
By the same token if the narration says that a character like the Vision amps his density to the point that he weighs 90 tons in order to become immovable during a fight, we don't go grab calculators when he's then unmoved by a punch from someone like Thor to figure out how much he would have to weigh in order for him to tank the punch and say that our result supercede's the author's intent.
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Last edited by darthgoober on Sep 15th, 2010 at 04:01 AM
then you take the feat as flash being fast enough to empty a city b4 the nuke incinerated everything..
you dont add any real life science to the feat but, you dont take anything either..
you shouldnt be translating one feat and saying look he did this so that means he can cross the universe in a second or two. dont state anything unless you have the feat to back it up and not use transference of feats for a feat the character does not have.
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