are you serious? Wolverine has always bn faster per his power. he is superhuman across the board superior speed strength, fighting skill due to his training and mutation. plus if you wanna put PIS aside normal DD should get bone broken from wolverine lvl punches since that is what is suppose to happen when it comes to human durability vs his adamanium powered hits.. DD powerless shouldnt and has never bn a serious thread his ability to stay alive in comics is nothing but PIS.
anyways...Demon wolverine has got this and current DD hasnt displayed any power that should legitimately put logan down. Normal logan would win as well.
a say a decapitation swipe would do it. being more powerful doesnt give you the same resistance to other forms of attack that another character might have.
DD didnt show anything logan hasnt fought regularly and overcome b4
but, Rand and shang werent expecting anything that impressive from DD so they were caught with their pants down same for logan who stabbed him and just stared instead of decapitating him like he would any other mook.
DD's fight is not indicative of anyone's standard abilities or full combat potential. it was all pis wanking.
I'm not impressed with what I've seen so far. It all seems like a bunch of CIS to me. I don't know how powerful Demon Daredevil a.k.a. DDD will get, but from what I have seen so far it's nothing that normal Wolverine couldn't handle. Same goes for Iron Fist, and Spidey.
Apparently everything that Beast possessed DD is all down to PIS because of general wank.
I mean to say that base Iron Fist, Shang Chi, or Wolverine could beat him currently is pretty illogical.
For the record Daredevil is faster than wolverine, he has better bullet timing feats throughout his career and better displays of agility. The only time Wolverine ever got a 1 up on DD was when he was wearing his bulky armor costume that slowed him down significantly.
I really don't see how demon wolverine is going to beat the Beast when hes obviously a great deal stronger and faster than Logan. I mean Gorgon gives Wolverine trouble and hes not that stronger than him.
No he not, that some bs you made up. There is zero evidences that DD is faster then Wolverine. You keep saying this garbage that he has better feats lets see them. Because it utter bull shit. In fact unlike Wolverine DD has admitted to being physically inferior to capt has admitted to be slower then spiderman ect. Neither of which wolverine has even hinted at being inferior to. Infact Wolverine had spiderman wondering if he was in fact the faster of the two.
also there zero evidence that DD was slower in his black suit, that more BS you came up with.
You honestly have no idea what agility entails, you assume it purely acrobatic which it not, and even then it debatable.
wolverine not a bullet timer, he legit bullet dodger.
No it not, there zero evidence he even faster then Wolverine let a lone much greater. That more BS your making up.
Gorgon would destroy DD.
Last edited by Dum Dum Dugan on Oct 18th, 2010 at 09:06 PM
So you want me to prove something but your using flawed ABC logic to make a case about Wolverine which isn't correct anyway. Of course Cap and Spidey are faster than DD and Wolverine. Thats not my point, Daredevil has better bullet timing feats than Wolverine. Current DD is beyond Wolverine as he proved when he overpowered Wolverine and hit him through a stone pillar.
Maybe if you actually read Daredevil you would note that they say his armor costume is actually slowing him down because of the armor that he needs for protection. He notes that hes sacrificing speed but he needs that protection the costume gives him.
Agility is defined as "the ability to change the body's position efficiently, and requires the integration of isolated movement skills using a combination of balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength, endurance and stamina."
So yeah regular DD had enhanced human agility. The Beast is amping him beyond that. Demon Wolverine is the same except for being on fire.
So your saying hes aim dodging and isn't fast enough to block the bullets himself?
If Wolverine were faster than DD he wouldn't get consistently defeated by Elektra who is a legit bullet timer just like DD now would he.
Also note I'm talking about Shadowland DD and not regular DD, You inferring that regular DD couldn't beat Gorgon is arguable but saying Shadowland DD isn't capable of doing it is some made up fantasy.
Last edited by SasuOna on Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:49 PM
no it did not, you are vastly over playing that scene. All that happen was that Wolverine stabbed him, got suprized by the fact that DD did not go down and got overpowered and thrown into a pillar, was taken out via plot device. Only thing proven there was that DD was stronger then Wolverine nothing more. That damage done to wolverine was nothing, the author had to resort to a plot device that DD would not have in this fight, most likely because wolverine him self was enough to get the job done.
for starters that not even the correct definition, you got that off wiki. Agility has nothing to do with endurance and strength. It has to do with balance, nimbleness and dexterity. Actaully dictionary gives definition as “lightness of foot”
No I am saying he literraly dodges bullets after there fired, he has no need to aim dodge.
He doesent, and your ignoring complete context of there fights. Hell Elektra even stated in one of there fights that he faster then her. Then she implied the only reason she hangs with him is because he holds back while she willing to kill him, he always looking for the good in her.
Its arguable because it won't be a stomp like you seem to think
A. hes not turning DD to stone
B. Daredevil has way better senses than Wolverine
C. also has telepathy so hes not reading his mind
It would be a fight that DD loses but its not going to be a stomp
In any case Shadowland DD is a great deal stronger and faster than Gorgon.
CIS off he would just rip Gorgon's head off.
no it not, only if your a delusional fanboy like yourself, could believe such a notion.
does not need it at all
won't help him at all and wolverine has superior sense of smell and this is fact.
DD has very limmited telepathy which he uses only to communicate with other chaste members. Elektra who has legit telepathy could do nothing to prevent gorgon friend reading her like a book. so as always your full of crap.
no it would be a stomp, he has nothing on gorgon.
No he not, you just keep making up a bunch of crap and trying to present it as fact when it not. He never have the chance to ripp his head off. Gorgon would cut him into pieces well before then.
Except all the times Cap has clearly been shown to be superior to Wolverine. Daredevil dodging Cap's shield throws and of course Wolverines general lack of speed feats like Caps.
The fact that you are taking this at face value is ridiculous. I guess the time DD saved Spider-man from being shot is a clear indication that Spider-man is slower than both of them and not just an extreme case of PIS.
I know Wolverine would rather get shot than dodge bullets for a reason. If he was fast enough to bullet time he would have feats comparable to Spidey or DD. All he has is fights with characters with those feats which can easily be labeled as a PIS occurence.
And Daredevil beat 100 MGH powered Yakuza in 3 minutes.
Don't say its a plot device
He clearly lost the fight, just call it a low showing if you don't agree with it.
You are overemphasizing the use of one term in a definition. Its the same thing.
No thats just your warped way of trying to rationalize why Wolverine always loses to her.
Hes said multiple times shes better than him. There was never an instance when Logan showed pity on her in their fights. If anything she literally always predicts everything Wolverine does because she knows how he going to fight and can read his mind.
Has nothing to do with what I said
Also has nothing to do with this fight.
-Over powering wolverine
-keeping up with Spider-man
-A great deal stronger than Gorgon is currently
-Has legit wins over martial artists better than Gorgon
Delusional much?
Gorgon really doesn't have anything that can can compare with DD currently.
Last edited by SasuOna on Oct 19th, 2010 at 01:15 AM
When were these times? I love to see evidences of this. Your so full of crap/ They foughten three times. Wolverine won two of them and the other one got interrupted right away.
what does DD dodging capt shield throws have to do with anything? Wolverine lacking speed feats like capt is utter bs, prove it. Wolverine has numerous speed feats and I already posted one you simply could not match.
What wrong with it? Wolverine surprised spiderman because his speed was comparable. Wolverine has foughten spiderman several times and has consistently been shown as easily keeping up, the same is true with his fights with venom, lizard,puma and vermin. Wolverine always shown keeping pace with spiderman and spidermans rougues who have comparable speed.
except he does……….your just ignorant.
Lol so now your going to call pis on his feats because you dislike what they potray that’s laughable. He consistently is potrayed this way. So what now your trying to say feats against cannon fodder is more important then established character? Are you kidding me? That simply foolishness.
you know like the one you pretty much ignored.
This is almost completely irrelevant to what we, were discussing. We were debating speed, him being able to senses an attack is irrelevant and not comparable to the feat I post, which you yet to match after all this talk about how DD so much faster………….
This is not comparable at all. You yet to be able to match my feat and have simply been throwing out redd herrings. You saying things arnt evidence…..I don’t even believe this feat exists.
It was a plot device. Wolverien stabbed DD, who survived it and did not fall which was a great surprise to wolverine who even goes “that’s impossible” , then DD overpowered the surprised wolverine and throw him. Oh and then Wolverine happens to hit a column that falls on him……….you try and tell me that not a plot device…….then I even posted evidences of wolverine being hit through several columns and smashed on by class 100 with out any real ill effect which you never commented on I notice……..please don’t kid your self, that was defiantly a plot device.
No it clearly did you simply disliked what it showed.
Gorgon did the same thing.
Wolverine done the same thing numerous times and gorgon completely owned him with his speed. Gorgon also out reacted the speedstir Yo-Yo before as well.
Gorgon completely dominated Elektra while toying with her on complete level beyond anything DD did.
No you are clearly still the delusional one who has no idea what he talking about.
Last edited by Dum Dum Dugan on Oct 19th, 2010 at 02:26 AM
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