Cass in the same boat as Taskmaster her mishmash of skills are based on what she sees other do and that doesnt make her equally skilled to some one who actually is a master of said art form.. all she can ever know is what he uses and simply block and fight competently using her body reading skills to compensate for the skill gap which is nothing more then a fighter telegraphing their moves.
Skill wise Mr. X knows more MA then she does including shiar and kree.
and just to let you know Mr. X has easily defeated Taskmaster with his back turned outreacting him and even moving faster then Taskmaster beating him to the cage exit after taskmaster had a head start and never seeing X pass him
=/ Comparing Cassandra to Taskmaster isn't fair. She's much better than him.
As far as this fight goes, they both know what the other person is going to do based on their abilities. Cassie's is a little slower because she has to read his body language and predict it as it comes. Mr. X has that millisecond advantage. Problem is that I don't see him being able to use this and move fast enough to hit her more than she's going to hit him. Her bullet feats and recent display of physical prowess kind of set her a peg above most high end streets.
in a PISless environment like a forum, she isnt going to hit him "her bullet feats" don't matter, he has AWSOME bullet feats to the point that arguing reaction time advantages between the two becomes pointless. If someone wants to point out a particular combat feat of Cassies that will overthrow X'x ability then you could end this thread with a /win in a single scan..please show.
Karate Kid is a normal being. No meta, he just amps his stats due to chi. Same as Iron Fist, except better. I mean Cassandra can jump up buildings and casually dodge bullets, so she's in the same boat.
Karate Kid spars with Kryptonians if you think Cassandra Cain is in the same boat as him then theres nothing to really discuss with you. Personally i don't think they're even in the same ocean.
Know why KK beats X? Because his speed is demonstrably faster than what X is capable of. Cassandra Cain doesn't have that luxury, if she did, there would have been a scan ending the debate 3 pages ago.
Know why KK beats X? Because of his SuperKarate and his ability to spot weaknesess, if X blocked an incoming attack of KK, the attack could very well shatter X's arm, such is the extent of KK's amp. Cassy doesn't share that luxury.
Show me a combat feat of Cassies that is beyond anything X can counter.
I'm sure you've already seen her bullet dance feat. Where she dodges direct fire after the bullets had been shot and still manages to weave in and out of the trajectory like it's a game... better than I've seen from X. If anything I'd say her sheer speed would even the gap between his precog advantage.
Cass beat up Bizarro Supergirl and Deathstroke has consistent showings of making the Flash look like an idiot.
Mr X however got Blitz by Quicksilver who isn't anywhere close to lightspeed anymore.
Show me how fast Supergirl was moving in the fight, explain to me why a class100 kryptonian would even register Cassy Cains blows without PIS.
And as for bringing up the Deathstroke feat..what do you expect? I bet Batman could replicate that feat, Flash IS an idiot afterall..want an example? See how strong and durable Rhino is? Notice how many times Spider-man has made him look like an idiot..does that mean Pete is stronger or more durable? No..it simply means Rhino is an idiot with his powers..now apply that to Flash for getting tagged by someone who takes blows from Nightwing
I just meant all 3 can do super human things. Personally, i think all 3 are not street level. Especially IF and KK. But they are in the same boat, because they can do above peak human stuff. But some people here think IF is street level. If he is street level than so is KK.
mmright, yeah, Daredevil and Gladiator are in the same boat because they can both do superhuman things aswell i guess? One thing has nothing to do with the other because Cassie is specifically NOT ABLE to do what KK and to a lesser extent Ironfist can do. You're right though, IF and KK are far beyond street, and no one really denies this anymore.
My whole point was simply questioning Cassies ability to do something BEYOND what X can counter, in h2h combat, in a random encounter. What Wolverine lacks in body reading, he makes up for in heightened senses, he has enha..Ehhemm..SUPERHUMAN reflexes, MA discipline knowledge of a greater volume than Cassie IS stronger, IS more durable, has MORE stamina, has enhanced agility and is completley above X and Cassie in every physical catagory - just about - and it did him no good...before the "berserk" PIS win.
What more does Cassie bring to the table to the extreme that she does better than Wolverine?
Facing off against Supergirl for one. IIRC, she also put Grace through a wall and jumped at least 7 stories of a bulding. Her stats are on par with X, IMO.
OKAY, Flash isnt that much of an idiot, but he's pretty dumb and DS is a super tactical genius, so for people to read so much into that feat as to call it a speed feat is retarded. DS isn't faster than any version of the Flash, this is a fact. Daredevil cannot move at Mach 1, but he has deflected individual bullets with his club, swatting them out of the air like flies. Elektra has done the same with her sais. How is Deathstroke hitting a HUMAN sized bullet any more impressive unless Flash was travelling at his maximum(or close to ) speed. He wasn't..so the feat isn't that special in the realm of bullet timing High streets.
to be fair Wolverine doesnt lack body reading ability he actually possesses naturally allowing him to read an individual emotion intent and impending attack. he just choices to ignore it when he feels some one is beneath him and is not a threat to him.
same when he choices not to use his high level MA skills and telegraphing nuances of his opponents or his hypersenses that warns him from air current.
if anything if wolverine were to use his full abilities at it's highest setting no claws, adamanatium or healing he would still steam roll over cass in every category of even body reading
Cass dodged Bizzaro Supergirl for a few panels and the she dove into a plot device (a plot device that barely phased her and that see seemed to enjoy), that distracted her log enough for Cass to escape.. Nightwing has beat Deathstroke on three separate occasions, and unlike his "fights" with Batgirl he hasn't been expressly stated to be holding back when he fights Dick. Flash as effortlessly blitzed Slade on the occasions he doesn't job and decided to run into DS's attacks.
The arc were Quicksilver blitzed X was the first time he was actually confirmed to be capable of light speed movement....
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