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Knowsbleed33
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The Owen in Dark Avengers was watered down.

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The Owen in Dark Avengers was watered down.

Based on what ?

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It doesn't count because Molecule Man has fought the Beyonder and is possibly more powerful than the IG. Would you count a page showing Galactus being killed by Wolverine as legitimate?

MM lost to the combined forces of a depowered Ben Grimm and Ted Sallis

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He was stunned by a helicarrier enough for Reynolds to reassert control. Molecule Man jobbed.

So ? He has overlapping personalities and he had to lose so this is the reason they came up with it wasn't that anyone had the power it was consistent with the past. Void only loses when he decides to go away.

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He was stunned by a helicarrier enough for Reynolds to reassert control. Molecule Man jobbed.

or maybe he jobbed to the helicarrier.

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So if Superman wanted to Die, could he allow Batman to kill him with no kryptonite?

Sentry gets destroyed all the time, he just instantly regenerates... in this case, Thor killed him and he decided not to come back.

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Sentry gets destroyed all the time, he just instantly regenerates... in this case, Thor killed him and he decided not to come back.

i dont see whats so hard to get...its plan as day

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i dont see whats so hard to get...its plan as day

Sentry hatred is too strong in this forum..it cloud their judgement..

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You know what people overlook about the Void/Molecule Man fight? In that issue, he stated Daken was difficult to kill because of his healing factor or some such. That was basically all the evidence I needed to come to the conclusion he was watered down.

That's all the evidence I need to know no one is touching Tyrant.

Unless it's, you know the powerful Molecule Man.

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or maybe he jobbed to the helicarrier.

Nah, it's in character for him.

Molecule Man wins. That DA MM was watered down. MM was more powerful than Beyonder. Ever seen Void through planets around? A non-jobbing MM would just reach back in time and kill Bob before he even had a chance to become the Void/Sentry.

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Nah, it's in character for him.

Molecule Man wins. That DA MM was watered down. MM was more powerful than Beyonder. Ever seen Void through planets around? A non-jobbing MM would just reach back in time and kill Bob before he even had a chance to become the Void/Sentry.

Just to be curious, if the writers honestly wanted to empower Sentry to MM's level, how do you think they should go about introducing this? Since obviously the way they did so, is not a way you will accept. I mean you're deliberately claiming that the writers were just wrong in stating and showing Sentry to have that ability. Do you realize how silly that sounds?

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Meh, on panel Sentry pwned MM. That's good enough for me.

Now it comes down to Sentry/Void vs Tyrant and I think Tyrant takes the majority.

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I mean you're deliberately claiming that the writers were just wrong in stating and showing Sentry to have that ability. Do you realize how silly that sounds?

Good point. Black Panther has the ability to armbar heralds.

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Good point. Black Panther has the ability to armbar heralds.

That's not to say all writers are always justified but in this instance the writer clearly defined the Void's powers as greater than MM's. Void's powers are so plot devicey hard to keep the man down.

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Good point. Black Panther has the ability to armbar heralds.

If the writers had said "this occurred because BP just manifested his latent power that is >>> surfers", then yes i would accept it. It would be stupid but one would hope people would understand it for what it was, an attempt to place the character on a higher level of power.

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Good point. Black Panther has the ability to armbar heralds.

Wasn't SS depowered severely? It's like saying Darkseid has a weakness vs stairs without taking context into consideration.

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Wasn't SS depowered severely? It's like saying Darkseid has a weakness vs stairs without taking context into consideration.

No.

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If the writers had said "this occurred because BP just manifested his latent power that is >>> surfers", then yes i would accept it. It would be stupid but one would hope people would understand it for what it was, an attempt to place the character on a higher level of power.

What if the writer explains just why exactly it happened? Seems reasonable to me, BP is a master of leverage, no?

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What if the writer explains just why exactly it happened? Seems reasonable to me, BP is a master of leverage, no?

Well if there aren't any contradictory showings, then that's fine.

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No.

You sure? Oh well I could have sworn I read that on this very forum.

Anyway, the Sentry/MM fight spanned multiple issues. MM owned him then he came back and pwned MM. Turnabout is fair play and all that.

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Well if there aren't any contradictory showings, then that's fine.

I've never seen BP fail to kimura someone.
Therefore BP kimuraing Surfer is an acceptable showing.

Glad we agree here.

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