Thor has a fraction of a second before the Hulk is up his ass what does he do? What time does he have? People who always argue this sh1t for Thor seem to fail to understand real world time dilation scenarios. Have you ever realized that the reason that Thor never BFR'd the Hulk in the past may have had something to do with the Hulk not giving him the time to do any of this, and that Thor does not process thought the way that the Vision would?
This is how the real true Thor processes thought.
Damn this guy is all up in my face making it extremely difficult to banish him, *POW* this prick just hit me in the face, and it actually hurt, phuck this I'm going to hit him back.
Let's consider anger that would cloud Thor's judgment, and that pain tends to cloud the once clear mind, and anger tends to derail things as simple as banishing the person all over Thor. Not to mention that the guy all over him despite his size can actually move at super human speeds. And yet the people arguing for Thor are constantly calling Thor stupid in the way that he fights. The same holds true for his battle with Tutinax, he could have if he was given the time, and distance, but Tutinax's speed, and distance has to be factored in.
HOTM Hulk would get to him, and physically kick his @$$ in. CIS off or on.
I like how the Hulk side always assumes that Thor will wait for the Hulk to jump at him before he takes any offensive/defensive actions.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Most of the time Thor doesn't use a vast majority of his power set against Hulk because he wants to fight Hulk on Hulk's terms and win. It's a pride issue, not a capability issue, not when you look at everything Thor's done. This is widely accepted by most people who concede that in a straight up physical encounter restricted to melee, Hulk eventually comes out on top, but with all powers/abilities in play, Thor's superior. There's really not much to argue on that point.
Thor has super speed as well as reflexes needed to operate on a higher level if need be. Thor's glaring "speed weakness" is something that people routinely think is going to be a game changer...except for all the times it wasn't. His speed seems to be scaled to whatever the plot needs at times, but it doesn't invalidate his instances of reacting at FTL speeds or beating/tagging virtually every being with superspeed he's ever encountered. Not sure why Hulk's speed of all people would be too much for Thor?
If the OP didn't state CIS is off for Thor and Thor doesn't begin the fight with literally no phucks to give about anyone and is immediately using his most powerful attacks from the onset, I'd agree that the Gamma God would be too much for him. But I didn't make this thread nor its stipulations. /shrug
And just to be clear, you're arguing against the likelihood of Thor even resorting to an instant BFR, not the fact that's certainly capable of instantly BFRing Hulk, correct?
Has Thor ever been hit? Let's not try and turn Thor into something that he is not. Thor is no more the Flash as he is Spiderman or have their reaction times. If he was then he would never have been hit in his entire history. Even the Flash gets hit.
It's not that Thor can't do this, and that, and this and that, it's just that the Hulk has his own mind, and will, and the capability of closing the distance between them in less than a second moving at speeds that make bullets look slow when he is leaping with legs capable of generating speeds at the very least 1000x faster than the Savage Hulk's legs propelled him.
So yes Thor could BFR HOTM Hulk if the Hulk sat there and allowed for Thor to whip up his magical portal, but this would not be the case. The Hulk as well as everyone else on the field would be acting under their own power, and not on puppet strings. Thor does not win this fight anymore than he won his battle against Tutinax.
Thor has reacted to and hit people that are faster than the Hulk.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Obviously he has been hit before; no one is arguing he's untouchable. All I'm saying is that while Hulk does have superspeed and reflexes of his own, so does Thor. Thor also has greater mobility and flight on his side, so I'm not seeing how Hulk's speed is any more damning to Thor than Surfer's was...or Sentry's...or Gladiator's....
And that's cool that Hulk is faster than bullets. So is Mjolnir. By an absurd degree, as well. Not only that, but the hammer has its own homing capabilities, so assuming that Hulk can dodge an FTL Mjolnir toss, it will hit him on the return path.
The thing you're not getting is that Hulk doesn't have to just sit there to let Thor BFR him. Thor can just BFR him, whether Hulk wants to go or not. He's opened up portals and instantly teleported people either with a simple lightning bolt, slamming Mjolnir on the ground, or through a tear in space/time. Hulk can jump at Thor, Thor points and clicks, and Hulk's gone.
You can cite Tutinax if you like, but I hope you realize that Thor has more impressive feats and fights to draw upon.
Did you know that by the time you hear boom that a bullet would have already hit you? Again the Hulk would be moving far faster than the bullet. What does Thor do? What time did he have to to use exotics? Is the Hulk simply staring at him while he does this, and that? Is Thor the only one acting with a brain, and the rest of the field is acting like meat puppets? This means that Thor did not have the time to dodge, because he does not have a danger sense, nor does he have the Flash's speed steal powers.
What does Thor do once the Hulk reaches him? What time did he have to even twirl his hammer while concentrating on multiple opponents on the field, while the Hulk that is moving far faster than a high powered rifle can spin out a bullet? What does Thor do?
Let's use real time dialation to solve this.
Some abstract voice says 1...2...3... battle
1. The Hulk's first move is to leap at Thor, while his team may rip up huge chunks of rock in preparation of hurling them at Thor.
2. Thor is assessing the movements of his multiple opponents
3. The Hulk is already on him by the time that anyone has ripped anything up.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
I know how fast bullets are, both in reality and in comic books, and I know Hulk can move faster than that. I also know Thor can and has reacted at speeds similar if not greater than that as well. Mjolnir makes bullet speed look like canine excrement for lack of a better word and Thor doesn't even really have to aim so much as he has to focus and will it to strike a particular target. If you're arguing that Hulk is going to move faster than Thor can hope to react, we're going to have to strongly disagree with one another.
As far as the rest of the team goes, they're largely inconsequential due to their lack of ranged capabilities and mobility as opposed to Thor or even the Hulk.
As far as your hypothetical scenario goes:
1. After the voice says battle, Thor uses Mjolnir to BFR Hulk instantly.
2. Hulk is transported to another place on Marvel Earth or in space or in some other dimension, virtually stranded until Thor decides to bring him back, if he evers.
3. Thor invokes planetary level storm to decimate the team.
You're essentially arguing Hulk's speed and mobility versus Thor's own and against his ability to instantly target a foe or foes and teleport them to wherever he sees fit, regardless of their resistance. It's not a good fight for Hulk.
If this was typical Thor fighting in character, you might have a point.
It's highly debatable if Thor could survive a punch from WBH. I would put WBH strength at or above Bor strength and Bor could have killed Thor with one punch. Then let's not include the fact that only the shockwaves from Hulks single punch were killing Heralds, Mindless one, an entire race of trolls, planets and Moons...this was just a single punch and not even a connected punch. Yeah, he one shots him.
It takes less time for Thor to bfr the Hulk before it takes the Hulk to close the distance to get to him. Don't be mad. Thor usually fights to the the Hulk's strengths and still doesn't falter.
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Mar 7th, 2012 07:34 PM
Thor can't survive a punch from WBH now
