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Intrepid37
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Agreed.

A comparison between feats and accolades plus taking context, environment etc into account is what I subscribe to

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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The only thing Vitiate at that time has on ROTS Sidious, is probably telepathy, and force drain.

And a thousand years of dark side knowledge. We've pretty much agreed on this forum that while Sidious still ranks #1 in overall force knowledge, Vitiate is the ultimate dark side master. So no, that's not all he has on him.

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Sidious, most likely, will not come at Revan the way Vitiate did. Vitiate wasted time trying to dominate Revan mentally. What is Revan going to do if Sidious comes at him the way he did the council members? You can ignore the feats and accolades of the council member all you want, but it changes nothing I said. Being firmly below Yoda, Sidious, and Windu, does not mean they are not among the best. What has Revan done in sabers that suggests he is bigger threat than all three of those masters put together saber-wise? Also, what feats in TK does Revan have that would suggest he can overcome a TK attack from someone who can easily over power two extremely powerful TK user simultaneously?

Again with trying to predict what a character is going to do. The only way Revan overcame Vitiate's mental attacks was by becoming one with the force, equal parts dark side and light. What's Revan going to do? Apparently he had the fold space ability, which means he'd go from point A to point B in enough time. I did not say Revan would win a saber battle but Revan's known accolades are more than enough to give him an even footing with ROTS Sidious.

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As for Sidious losing to Mace, I've went over that argument countless times, and it gets old. And I don't see why I should waste my time going over it with someone who claims Krayt would stomp someone like Dooku, and disregards feats of characters from an era you don't like.

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What are Revan's ''known accolades'' exactly...?

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Aside from fold space, fighting a team of either imperials or jedi, throwing back a force storm into Nyriss, and holding his own against Vitiate? What more do you need?

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When you said accolades I thought you meant quotes or something like that regarding his mastery and skill, not feats.

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There's a lot of hyperbolic quotes so I didn't go there.

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Fair enough.

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Whoa, Revan and Sidious are not on even footing.

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On even footing in the sense that Revan CAN defeat Sidious in a 1 on 1 match. Whether it's 7 times, or 5, or 3, that's debatable.

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He'd have to get really lucky with reflecting lightning.

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I don't see how it's that debatable.

Revan won't be steamrolled and has the skill to land a few victories, no doubt, but based on both feats and accolades, Sidious has an advantage in skill, power, and mastery. He takes a solid majority.

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Based on feats and accolades, Revan does get steamrolled.

Sidious stomps in my opinion.

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Based on feats and accolades, Revan does get steamrolled.

Sidious stomps in my opinion.

Feats? Sure.

Feats and accolades? Nah. Revan wasn't just highly skilled a la Kit Fisto, but was a tried and true prodigy of enormous caliber. Taking on Star Forge imbued Malak, smoking Nyriss, putting Vitiate on his royal ass twice... He's not fodder for ROTS Sidious.

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Actually, I guess his stupid Ying Yang attack might put Sidious down for a bit.

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Revan could definitely put Sidious on his ass. The problem is going to be when Sidious gets up.

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Malak and Nyriss have done exactly what?

Anyways, I disagree. Sidious has repeatedly shown higher capability regarding skill, speed, power etc, all of which I doubt I need remind you of.

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I'm going to agree with Q99 on the era-bias. Intrepid seems to have a big ol' boner for CW era combatants.

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