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batman would NEVER say that BP was out of his league. he never believes anyone is out of his league. you def seem to have a firm belief that batman loses, and i suspect nothing i say can change your mind. the feats you posted aren't really much though, or rather, they are nothing that batman hasn't similarly accomplished or flat out bettered many, many times over. BP will never win a feat war with bats. you say he fought 13hrs straight, bats fought 28hrs straight. you show BP managing to....tackle spidey (something daredevil has done several times...) i show bats ko'ing slade, beating azrael, ko'oing bane, etc..... you show strength feats, i show batman pushing railroad cars, effortlessly kicking down trees, taking out massive robots, etc....
the thread asks who wins no gear. every fight would be close. i give bats the skill edge, panther the speed edge and panther the endurance edge. i give bats the willpower edge, which imo is pretty significant. intelligence is a wash, tactics is a wash or slightest edge to bats imo. ultimately, i say split, or bats 6/10 in straight h2h. with standard gear (this isn't a prep battle, just standard gear afaik) BP's suit is better then bats' but bats has tons of pis-style gadgets hanging around and probably better overall damaging attacks (grenades, sonics, lasers, etc...). BP has better defenses though. he also has the clincher imo and that is the anti-metal claws that would shred the batsuit. as a result i'd give the edge to BP in gear, maybe 6-7/10.
anyway, in researching bats for a tourney once, i came across this capability thread. it's one of the best, most organized respect threads i've ever seen. bats is NOT all hype and popularity. that kind of thinking leads to faulty conclusions and bias. i'll post the link for all to see and will state with absolute certainty that any feat BP has accomplished, bats has one that is comparable or exceeds it. some of them may appear to be PIS, except, he has dozens and dozens of pis-style feats. if they happen all the time, i no longer view them as pis. others of course may, and that is their prerogative.
The underlined is where I completely disagree. T'Challa has the edge on Bruce in intellect and tactics and they are the areas that I would say by a bit. Yes I would say Bruce has an advantage in Skill, but not a large one. T'Challa is the only one I can think of who has tactically out maneuvered BOTH DOOM and REED as well as Captain America. Those are VERY pertinent facts when assessing tactical ability. T'challa has feats in most areas of Intellect to match Bruce but Bruce doesn't have feats to match T'chlla's as a scientist or worlds renown. Bruce is better at biochestry and chemistry ( particularly as it relates to forensics) but T'Challa is MUCH better at the physical sciences. A lot of Bruce's tech feats rely on pre work done by others and speculations and conjecture ( really more an educated guess taking the line the odds favor) where T'challa's is all his own.
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intelligence is close. bruce designed brother eye don't forget, and has contingency plans to beat nearly every meta on the planet. BP can't say the same. IQ would be roughly equal imo. and while there aren't really uber geniuses in dc like doom or reed, bats has outsmarted luthor on at least one occasion. he was also instrumental in planning the defeat of darkseid. bats has a wider breadth of knowledge imo, though i agree BP has greater depths in certain areas. that's why i think overall intelligence is basically a wash. battles tactics: bats has just so many examples of beating opponents through out-thinking them (streets and metas) that it was hard for me to even call this a wash, but i know BP is good here too. again, going by sheer number of feats, it's hard to say BP matches him there, but i do think it's very close. the biggest difference imo (and by biggest it likely isn't huge, but it's significant enough imo to be deciding factor in many fights) is bats' willpower, which is second to maybe superman, and perhaps jordan, and that's it.
it's a very close battle. not sure how anyone can possibly see it as anything but extremely close.
Did someone just show BP tackling Spidey, throwing through concrete, catching knives, and towing someone up a building?
It's a good thing Batman has one handedly submitted Hawkgirl, kicked Dr Death through a door built to withstand nukes, punched a ****ing bullet, and kicked Captain Marvel like 40 feet away after being thrown by Superman... that turned him back to Billy.
The idea that Batman is nearly as strong as Black Panther is utterly laughable. I can't believe you handed out edges and didn't even give BP the strength edge. This comes across as biased. Batman cannot match BP feat for feat starting with BPs first appearance. I see you tried to downplay him matching Spiderman's agility by saying Daredevil did it and that is supposed to reflect badly on BP, but then you go on to site a bunch of superhuman CRAP that Batman has supposedly done, even though he is clearly a normal human with no enhancements whatsoever. Very inconsistent to say the least. Batman is NO superhuman, period, point blank- BP is and his showings are consistently higher. You have to accept that to bear any credibility in the debate. Also, BP is every bit the tactician Batman is, only better....with better tech and a willingness to kill. This battle is not equal no matter how much you want it to be.
Come back when you able to switch off your fan boy. Oh, and if you would look at the pic, BP is holding someone by his hair with one hand while climbing with little effort. Don't act like Batman could ever do that, that he is even supposed to do that, or that anyone other than Batfan boys don't laugh at the thought of peak human Batman doing the chit super powered BP can do in his sleep. What's next, Batman can stop an elephant charging or tackle and kill a rhino with his bear hands?
Dude, the majority of posters along with the rest of comic book readers in the world are laughing at you and your suggestion that the two are equal. Again, this thread should never have been made.
Some here seemed to implicate that bp outclasses bruce in all categories. I simply pointed out that bruce is the more skilled martial artist of the two and although he is physically outmatched to a certain degree, he is as close to superhuman as any non-enhanced peak can be according to feats. This is a close fight hand to hand.
Will all due respect, that makes no sense. Why would the fight be close if BP is better all around? BP is clearly above him physically and in terms of intellect. He's not call the deadliest man in the world for nothing. So you think it would be close because of martial arts? BP knows martial arts as well, and not all martial arts come from Asia.
At least you are admitting that Batman is peak human and not above peak human, which is actually impossible for a non-super powered individual.
But it's close. Bruce is a more skilled martial artist. I don't think bp is more intelligent either. The fact that he has vibrainium as a resource gives him the better gear/weapons. Bp is physically superior but not so much so that bruce cannot contend hand to hand. Bats has much experience dealing with superhuman opponents of lesser skill.
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