BTW, I don't think we should take the Abeloth vs Son/Daughter thing literally in terms of a combat level. To fight chaos, one must logically introduce balance. The Son and Daughter combined bring that balance necessary. While I bet one or the other can do it alone in terms of power, it's sort of the metaphor that you need them both. If only one does it, that's destroying the balance and thus creating chaos.
Let's be honest also: with beings as powerful as the Ones, it's a lot easier to destroy a city then to raise one up again.
A lot of the things involving the One's should be taking symbolically, imo. They are gods, after all.
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It's also worth noting that when the Son and Daughter teamed up to stop Abeloth, it was when she was assimilating planets and shit. She didn't reach that point in FOTJ, which leads me to believe that FOTJ wasn't her peak.
Also, evidently Abeloth wanted to **** Luke, and that's apparently why he survived so many fights with her.
Also, Abeloth has a certain level of control. She basically masterminded the fight at the temple.
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As the Bringer of Chaos, Abeloth is meant to be the polar opposite of the Father (Balance). It stands to reason that she's comparable to him in power, and since in his prime, he's the most powerful of all the Ones, meaning that Abeloth is indeed at least comparable to the Son.
I believe it was also the Killiks who established that Abeloth was initially a mortal as opposed to a celestial being from birth. So if you're gonna deny this on the grounds that it comes from an unreliable source, you could frankly say the same about your entire first paragraph.
And the Father initially was able to control them for a time, as well. Besides, what the Father states is that only the Chosen One can tame his children, not defeat/contend with them. Abeloth, regardless of whether she could beat them or only compete with them, definitely won't be able to control them.
Right, because doing the exact same thing for millions of years with no greater success over time counts for something?
And yet remarkably, she was able to control the plants on her world. She was able to influence Luke's mind, conceal her presence from Luke himself, bend Lightning without even touching it, use Force-flash on ships across an entire star system, etc. - that's clearly an extremely high level of Force mastery.
Also, you can say the same stuff about Nihilus, except you seem to have no issues with his lack of control over his own power. Regardless, your claims seem more relevant to beings like the Bedlam Spirits than Abeloth, who has demonstrated masterful displays of the Force.
Because she wanted him to suffer? That's something that we term as PIS. Palpatine forgot that Vader cared foremost about his family when he tortured Luke in RotJ - and Nihilus, if the scripts and hype are anything to go by - should've snapped Mandalore's neck with a gesture or less, yet it never happened. Vitiate purportedly could've killed all the Strike Team members on Yavin IV, but that didn't happen either.
If we want to go this route, the Son's Lightning failed to kill Obi-Wan, and he had no reason to spare Obi-Wan either.
They might be more masterful, but that's irrelevant to the notion that Abeloth can't compete with them in any area other than raw power, as you suggested. Her physical traits don't seem to be off theirs by much, if at all, her range of powers seems comparable, and in various individual powers, she does seem very comparable.
Well I guess there's the argument that if Anakin was capable of subduing the Son and Daughter together (on Mortis), then Prime Luke should have some kind of chance against the Son alone. And backed up by these 2 Powerhouses he should have a decent chance.
That being said I think it's pretty clear no individual Jedi or Sith was ever truly as Powerful as any of The Ones. And Only Anakin Skywalker had the potential to be, but never actualized that potential (except for possibly that brief moment on Mortis).
Thor: That, essentially, is what I'm pointing out.
Anakin's full potential would solo Son. How of much of dear old dad's full potential does Luke have? All Luke needs is enough of dad's potential to compete with Son.
Presuming he enters Oneness...he just might have enough. And even if it's not quite enough, one figures that Ziost_Vitiate and DE Sidious, lending support from the same Dark Side Son is the embodiment of, just might throw him off enough for Luke to do this.
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Luke in Oneness got quickly smacked down by Abeloth for whatever it's worth.
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Not quite. He said something along the lines of Luke is what Anakin should have been. Think that's more to do with rejecting the dark side and saving the Galaxy.
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I guess that line is more of up for interpretation. If you think about it his potential would defimtly be what anakins was supposed to be since he is his offspring.
Anakin may have had more, but he didn't have THAT much more. And I doubt the difference between Anakin and Luke is greater then the difference between Father and Son. (See what I did there?)
Anakin on Mortis is superior to Luke in Oneness, so that's a pretty cut and dry. You can try to dance around that all you want, but you'll have next to no one agree with you. The Ones are always in a state like it, and Anakin was still able to defeat both of them. Luke has done nothing in Oneness to make him comparable to the Ones, so it's time to move on, imo.
Well it wasn't just about being on Mortis. It was also some kind of Oneness state he achieved, seen as he got his butt kicked by The Son in later episodes, while still on Mortis.
Then you have The Father's comments that- Only the Chosen One could have done that..
And it shows Anakin's potential was greater than any other Force user who ever existed or ever. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that Luke's potential was anywhere near that level. All we know is Luke still had greater potential than Yoda and Sidious.
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