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Darth Krayt vs Darth Malgus
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Malgus>Bane


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Malgus is what Bane want to be when he grows up.

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Malgus is more powerful than Bane.

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Malgus>Bane


No. Just no. If anything, Malgus is a slowe (not much though), weaker (again not by much) predcessor to Bane.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Only thing Decimus got going for him is that his name matches the Gladiator's middle...besides that, I say the Exile could beat him. laughing out loud


I will not speculate about Meetra's chances against Decimus. She may or may not be better then him but chances of the latter are strong since Decimus was renowned for his power and skill in an extremely competitive era and I doubt that Meetra can hang with paragons of Malgus's era.

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Wrong. Luke survived against Abeloth on the final encounter at the end only thanks to Krayt draining the life out of Abeloth...even from then, Krayt walked away from the fight while Luke needed to be inspired to continue to move from the spirit of Mara.

Luke prevented Abeloth from killing Krayt, no?

And Abeloth would have drained both to death but she was eventually undermined by over-stretching herself by combating Force-users on different fronts in various parts of the galaxy during the course of this encounter. Krayt and Luke were lucky in this context.

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Honestly, I'm going with Krayt on this one. His force abilies are a much greater range and variety then Malgus's, and though he lacks Malgus's pure rage, he is a very capable and deadly fighter.

"I completed my training as both Jedi and Sith. I honed my skills during the Clone Wars and have killed thousands of opponents since then."

This is your personal speculation. Fact is that Malgus have effectively dealt with more impressive opposition then Krayt ever has and his performance on the whole was decent enough to impress Sidious who have extreme standards by all accounts.

By the way, Muur regarded Vader to be more impressive then Krayt regardless of the latter's supposed greater range and variety and this is sufficient to convince me that Malgus would be above Krayt as well. Also, do not underestimate Malgus's knowledge of the Force; chances are good that he knows lot more about the dark side then what we have seen on screen. Their are solid reasons for him being able to flourish in an extremely competitive era.

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Anyway, a better fight would be Darth Bane vs Malgus, I feel we can compare them easier. wink

PS: Oh and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malgus only stalemate a neophyte padawan in his OWN novel... laughing

Neophyte padawan?

Aryn Leener is canonically recognized as among the most powerful Jedi of her time, rivaled only be Satele and Syo in the ways of the Force and skills. Holistically, it is safe to rank her among the most powerful Jedi of all times.

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No. Just no. If anything, Malgus is a slowe (not much though), weaker (again not by much) predcessor to Bane.


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According to Sidious's personal assessment, Malgus is the finest warrior among the Sith. He appreciated Bane in different aspect, if I recall correctly.

Malgus's profile in Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side is about exemplary power and skill. Bane's is about philosophy and importance of Rule of Two, if I am not mistaken.

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That isn't what he says.

That is what is being implied in the referred source. Every account in this source have a purpose (5 in total) and represents different aspects of the ways of Sith.

Malgus represents finest embodiment of power and skill in this source.

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That isn't what he says.

According to yourself, Sidious's thoughts about Malgus has clear importance regarding Malgus's victory over Vader. Why does it not have importance regarding a fight against Bane?

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That is what is being implied in the referred source. Every account in this source have a purpose (5 in total) and represents different aspects of the ways of Sith.

Malgus represents finest embodiment of power and skill in this source.


Sidious also says:

"The excerpts from the journal of Darth Malgus kept during the Great Galactic War some thirty-six centuries ago are a prime example of how a wounded warrior can be sustained by rage. The war was an unbounded success for the era's Sith Emperor, and Malgus was one of his best soldiers."
―Darth Sidious

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According to yourself, Sidious's thoughts about Malgus has clear importance regarding Malgus's victory over Vader. Why does it not have importance regarding a fight against Bane?


Sidious describes Malgus in the Book of Sith as 'an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been equalled.'

This doesn't allow for a comparison to Bane since Bane has never fought on a battlefield. I used it as a comparison to Vader since Anakin has fought in the Clone Wars and Sidious is well aware of his accomplishments in it. For Sidious to say that Malgus' feats weren't equaled creates a default comparison to Vader, whom Sidious is knowledgeable in terms of abilities.


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Bane fought at Ruusan briefly after the Thought Bomb.

Anyway, by "battlefield feats" it seems Sidious is simply referring to combat feats. Although, he is likely over-hyping Malgus.

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I'm going to trust Q99 on this one, since he's the most knowledgable on Krayt and the Legacy era. Although I am interested in Tempests opinion now.

I think that the destructive potential of this application is being overhyped. It reminds me of Dark Healing application which is very similar in nature; this originally made me assume that Dark Transfer could be just a different name given to Dark Healing application or related since ancient Sith such as Muur and Andeddu seemed to be familiar with its mechanics and taught Krayt about how to refine his mastery over Dark Transfer. Heck, it could just be a rehashed Dark Healing application.

Another point is that the kind of advantage that Krayt held over Cade with knowledge of this application may not be as much in case of another formidable dark side practitioner.

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No, he isn't. That he stood out in the Old Republic era doesn't make him comparable to the other on that list. He's Dark Council level, and while that is high, it does not make him one of the best in the mythos.

Being a standout in TOR era is actually a big deal. This is an era in which some of the greatest threats (ever) to the galaxy were eventually foiled. Being Dark Council level is actually a big deal since it is clear from canonical revelation that Dark Council members are typically extremely competent practitioners of the dark side. Dark Council members are logically (and evidently) among the most powerful practitioners of the dark side in the mythos.

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Not really any more impressive than him just being on the Dark Council imo.

Note that even the most powerful Jedi of PT era struggled against armies of droids and could effectively undermine them with external aid in most cases. Look no further then Yoda's performance on the first episode of latest TCW series.

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Again, not especially impressive. Breaking enemy lines is something I'd expect any good Sith to be able to do.

Seriously? How many do you think have dominated armies on their own?

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Sidious also says:

"The excerpts from the journal of Darth Malgus kept during the Great Galactic War some thirty-six centuries ago are a prime example of how a wounded warrior can be sustained by rage. The war was an unbounded success for the era's Sith Emperor, and Malgus was one of his best soldiers."
―Darth Sidious



Sidious describes Malgus in the Book of Sith as 'an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been equalled.'

This doesn't allow for a comparison to Bane since Bane has never fought on a battlefield. I used it as a comparison to Vader since Anakin has fought in the Clone Wars and Sidious is well aware of his accomplishments in it. For Sidious to say that Malgus' feats weren't equaled creates a default comparison to Vader, whom Sidious is knowledgeable in terms of abilities.

If you take the statement literally, having good battlefield feats has no bearing on a fight.

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Bane fought at Ruusan briefly after the Thought Bomb.

Anyway, by "battlefield feats" it seems Sidious is simply referring to combat feats. Although, he is likely over-hyping Malgus.


He didn't actually fight on Ruusan and certainly never in actual battle.

You could read it that way. But as you say I'd prefer not to put too much stock in it. I wouldn't argue for example 'Sidious says he is the best so Malgus is the best fighter in SW!' I would be more comfortable taking it as minimally and literally as possible and only use it to compare Malgus to people Sidious has a good chance at being accurate about. And even then, not as a flat "Malgus > X because Sidious says so". Its simply evidence one way imo.

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If you take the statement literally, having good battlefield feats has no bearing on a fight.


Because your feats on a battlefield have no bearing on your combat abilities in a one on one fight? I disagree.


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Either Sidious's claim makes Malgus better than both Bane and Vader, or it makes him better than neither.

Choose wisely, my friend.


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He didn't actually fight on Ruusan and certainly never in actual battle.


Not in a battle. I was referring to his short little fight against some troopers in RoT.

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You could read it that way. But as you say I'd prefer not to put too much stock in it. I wouldn't argue for example 'Sidious says he is the best so Malgus is the best fighter in SW!' I would be more comfortable taking it as minimally and literally as possible and only use it to compare Malgus to people Sidious has a good chance at being accurate about. And even then, not as a flat "Malgus > X because Sidious says so". Its simply evidence one way imo.


I'd agree. It's a nice accolade but not much more.

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