He drained Katarr in a moment. An entire planet and everything and everyone on it. He ripped an entire fleet out of a gravity well and then held his ship functionally together while mind dominating the entire crew. While weakened. That has nothing to do with prep.
Nihilus did it within a whisper, and it's not a prep or anything like that. he literally does it in an instant. In fact later in KOTOR several outer Rim worlds were also said to have just died from some unknown assault and it was Nihilus. As for ripping the fleet from Malachor V it probably took him just a day, I don't see why it would be any trouble for him at all. Nihilus also one-shotted the Exile and her team, if it weren't for Nihilus wanting to life-drain the Exile he would have killed them. He could do that to team 2 if he wanted too.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
I've been around for a long time, and noone has provided a conclusive evidence, as far as I am aware, that Malanchor feat was instantenous.
IIRC the line says sth like "Nihilus spoke"
Speaking takes longer than Anakin/Dooku's combat speed.
Nah.
I'm not buying into it.
Speed-wise they are featless and I'm not going to favor them in contrast to characters who are noted for their speed.
FYI based on the cutscene Vitiate is slow as fvck.
Feats and hype.
Dooku will maul her. c wut i did hir
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I felt this needs to be reposted, Nihilus does not use a form of Force Drain. If anything it is an extreme version of Force Sever, and simultaneously Dark Transfer rolled into one.
"Kreia: "He... if he can truly be called a man any longer... is one of the dark lords that pursues you. I do not think he knows what you are, not yet. He spared the Miraluka, and that may have been the last shred of feeling that exists within him. Keep his slave close to you. I suspect there was a reason he spared her... and perhaps a reason that she survived when the rest of her people and the Jedi did not. Perhaps he is bound to her... as I am bound to you. If so, there may be a death served by hers. It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.{Quietly}Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts.
{Chiding}Power? Do you think so?{Shakes head}You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.Nothing is impossible with the Force. It is an energy that flows through all living things. And like energy, it may be harnessed, channeled, and consumed at times. It may even be a substance that can burn and ignite.Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did. As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely. Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended.It is an empty road to the dark side, and by traveling it, the price is death before one's time. "
The fact that he did it shows his prowess in TK, imagine the strength of a TK wave that can lift trillions of tons from a gravity field that can crush planets sent at the team, I don't see team 3 surviving.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
I truly believe Nihilus could ragdoll Darth Sidious with his TK, the difference between what Nihilus has done with TK and anyone else is extremely massive.
We saw Darth Sidious ragdoll the Maul brothers, and the difference between those combatants was at least comparable. No one in the entire statwars mythos has ever done anything similar to what Nihilus did in terms of TK power, and it is on that basis that I believe Nihilus would ragdoll Sidious with TK.
Plagueis is not second. His quote was not written by the author, but rather instead a random person in the marketing department at the publishing house.
I don't understand why people consider the backs of books canon, because they are not, Drew himself confirmed this.
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Oh, well thank you Mr. Lucas for that 100% canon statement.
It's not speculation. When someone has only demonstrated a certain level of ability with a technique, only that level can really be attributed to him unless theres a good reason to think he can do more. You're the one saying they can resist being hit by 2 technique's at once, so you need to establish that and back up your claim for why that's possible. I'm listening.
Lmao, they're not dodging the attack. Nihilus covered a planet with his attack in under an hour and Traya pwned 3 Council members before they could twitch. Not even mentioning the fact that it's silly to think they can avoid a giant black cloud like Nihilus' attack was depicted as in Unseen, Unheard.
Except that he isn't because of Traya's Force powers. Dooku isn't pwning someone who killed 7 Sith at once casually.
Lmao. No, he isn't. Vitiate fought hard against the HoT despite being weakened and having her lightsaber a foot from his face. If he can last a long time against her in that condition, Anakin isn't closing the distance before Vitiate can think. And no prep is required.
But they won't close the distance who who cares.
Don't be dense, Nihilus and Traya can kill the entire team by raising their hands. You seriously expect me to buy into your idea that she'll get blitzed before that happens? She won't, they are not so fast that they can run up to her and cut her down before she and he can point at them. And even if it doesn't work Nihilus and Vitiate can easily ragdoll team 2.
Nope.
Less than an hour. No prep.
Dude, you realise that it's actually more impressive the longer he took to raise it, right? To support that amount of weight for an entire day is insane.
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Was that an attempt at sarcasm, Neph? If so, [Dooku] surely you can do better [/Dooku}
It’s only logical conclusion.
A)Team nom uses the drain.
B) Team #2 has a successful defense against the drain.
so it follows that C) Team #2 uses the defense to their advantage ./end
Certain level… You mean being able to withstand the effects of the drain for some time? Yeah, I think that will be enough.
Besides, no-one asks team #2 to just sit and relax all day while team nom tries to drain them.
Nah, it is you who claims that team nom’s drain is a trump card up
their sleeve despite the fact that team #2 has a defense for it. The burden of proof is on you.
They are faster than Kreia or Nihilus or Vitiate were shown to be. The drain will never hit them in the first place.
I’ll address this “under an hour” crap later on.
She killed fodder. Dooku has much better feats and acolytes. He also far outstrips her in dueling skills. She goes down, fast.
As it was shown, Vitiate hugged HoT’s lightsaber and died. If that’s a measuring stick for you to showcase his dueling prowess, count me amused.
Anakin is far faster than Vitiate, he closes the distance pretty quickly.
They will.
Raising hands and/or speaking <<< Dooku’s or Anakin’s combat speed.
Kreia’s drained fodder Jedi and it took her a few seconds. Anakin knows the technique to withstand the drain, he is much faster than Kreia and far eclipses her in saber department. She dies rather quickly.
Same goes with Nihilus who has to speak for a unquantified amount of time before his drain works.
Ah, that explains everything. So it was 59 minutes then… that’s slow as fvck.
There has been no evidence presented so far to how fast is N.’s drain. And I mean not just this debate, but for years now. Going by what we know, it’s not instantaneous. Arbitrarily made up time-slots will not do.
Not at all. In CW Anakin can topple a huge bridge, however, he can do that only with prolonged concentration. Similarly, Sidious can defeat the will of the force itself, but only with prep time. We don’t see him doing that instantly.
Same goes with N.’s feat. We never see how long it took him, did he prepped or not, did he use a ritual or amp.
It hasn't been established that they can successfully defend against the drain though. So that's not a logical conclusion, it's an assumption.
That's nice. I really care about and value your opinion so much. But, how about some actual proof now that they can resist two drains at once, one of which was planet-wise in scale, instead?
Nihilus' drain devastated an entire planet. As in he literally destroyed the cities on it's surface. So I imagine they won't be sitting and relaxing all day, no. They'll probably be blasted to pieces or having to use everything they have just to block it.
They're not going to be able to just run up to them while this is going on.
Nope. Go re-read the thread bro. You bring up that they can resist the drain, which you've so far failed to back up. I pointed out that they haven't shown the ability to block two drains at once and then backed up my point with an analysis of how the defense works and why it could fail. You then called it speculation and failed utterly to support your initial point further.
Explain to me how exactly they'll be dodging this:
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It doesn't matter if she did, she easily killed 7 of them at once. They might not be 5 star combatants, but killing seven 1 stars adds up bigger than that anyway. Traya isn't going down so easily, that's ridiculous.
Don't give me that shit. He and the Hero fought an "apocalyptic duel" before that point. So obviously he could deal with the Hero being right next to him with her lightsaber out. Therefore he obviously has ways of avoiding getting blitzed. He only get hit with the lightsaber after he was already highly weakened and after the Hero walked through his lightning. Which Anakin cannot do. Keep ignoring facts and I'll stop being amused with you.
Nah, he gets the Revan treatment. He tries to close the distance and engage in melee, but Vitiate just punts him across the arena like a rubber ball.
No, they get ragdolled or blasted to pieces.
Are you ****ing serious? No, raising their hands and speaking is not far below Anakin and Dooku's speed. You must be utterly trolling me to suggest so. And Nihilus uses the drain on the Exile instantly. He doesn't need to make a speech first.
Covering an entire planet in under an hour is not "slow as fvck", that's "Jesus fvcking Christ that's fast." It's in the double or triple digit machs most likely. Much faster than anything these guys can dodge.
Well I'm rapidly losing my ability to give a shit about your opinions, but I guess that's good to know I guess. It was pretty damn instantaneous when Traya did it and as I pointed out above, it being able to cover a planet in under an hour makes it ludicrously fast. That's really all that matters.
Don't care. It's way beyond anything these guys can do. They get ragdolled. /debate
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Aug 28th, 2014 09:50 PM
Darth Nihilus can solo this. His raw power is unrivaled in the mortal realm. Add in Kreia and Vitiate? This is an honest spite thread.
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