Hulk "lacks the extra oomph" ? What does that even mean? It just seems like your answer is basically Nimrod will find a way because he can adapt to things.
Facts are he isn't tanking Hulks strength, not when he gets cracked and destroyed in pretty much all his appearances against the X-Men who's strongest member is Colossus. He can levitate Hulk? What's to stop Hulk from clapping his hands together? Iron Man used sonics that were backed by a continents worth of power but Hulk ultimately powered through it.
Nimrod can't afford to be physically attacked by Hulk and really just doesn't quite have the feats to say he wins here for the majority.
On the matter of finding and/or disrupting some nerve or other in Hulk's body, I think it worth noting that Hulk's internals are as strong as his externals, to the level that the famous "133 Hercs" of force couldn't do anything to them.
That and the fact that when he is damaged (no matter the severity of that damage) he has healed up right. From replacing half his brain without losing consciousness or even falling down to replacing internal organs so rapidly that the hands with which he was holding them in place, were "healed over" in the process.
Also so far there has been nothing established by way of a node/nerve-cluster/organ or anything that facilitates and/or prevents Gamma amping by Hulk.
So, I really can't see this as a viable means of attack/disruption.
On top of this, you have Savage Hulk's demonstration of the strength with which his molecules/body seems to cohere, when The Vision phased into him.
Phasing into Savage Hulk, in order to attack him, would most likely just be the kind of opening Savage Hulk loves to exploit, leading to a trapped and vulnerable Nimrod, rather than in anyway damaging Hulk.
Lacking the extra oomph means he doesn't fully have the edge to destroy Nimrod.
You are taking the Colossus point out of context, Kitty Pryde phased through Nimrods insides severely weakening him. Which is what allowed Colossus to do so.
When Nimrod used levitation on Juggernaut if you have seen the scans Nimrod specifically used it to clamp Juggernauts arms to his body. Because Nimrod will not allow Hulk to thunderclap.
Let me be clear here. I think Nimrod takes 5/10 battles. The 5 times he wins is when Nimrod nips it in the bud straight away.
For example he detects Hulks bodily functions and disables them. Which allows him to do what he needs to do to finish off the Hulk while he can't move.
The other 5 times Hulk will win as it's the times Hulk uses the thunderclap or gets a few hits in when Nimrod isn't looking or has been weakened. Nimrod has the potential to easily finish off Hulk 5 times but also get stomped by him easily in another 5. Everything you and Janus have said is what make sup the other 5 in my opinion. The reason Nimrod does so well is he has his opponents fully analyzed generally before a battle. But if he fails to judge how Hulks strength increases or underestimates Hulk then he will be defeated.
So don't think I am being unfair.
I was just stating how I think Nimrod could win 5 times out of ten.
It's kind of odd to reply to this since I kind of have been unclear but cleared it up in my reply to Sorrow.
I think when Nimrod is on point and knows who and what the Hulk is he is clever enough to defeat the Hulk. But on the day Hulk is mad enough to gain that extra bit of speed and Nimrod can't or has failed to analyze Hulk then he will be too much and Hulk will take 5 out of 10 wins.
So I believe it's a case of 5 times out of 10 that Nimrod will fully analyse Hulk and be able to defeat him but there will also be 5 times were Hulk will just be to tough and too fast for Nimrod to fully get up his force fields.
One critical problem with the analyse Hulk's body and disrupt its function approach is that Nimrod isn't anywhere near powerful enough to do this.
Don't forget that Hulk's powered through being matter manipulated, he's raged through having himself shrunk and he's easily dealt with opponents that have phased into him.
I don't see Nimrod having any success in attempting to "clamp" Hulk's arms in place as this would require a greater force than Hulk produces. And Nimrod is not Cyttorak or Odin or even a high herald.
Hulk has broken out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, as placed upon him by Dr. Strange. And that's Classic old school cheaty Dr. Strange, not the more recent limp one.
There's no way Nimrod will prevent Hulk from using ground stomps and thunderclaps and there's nothing to suggest Nimrod could survive a powerful assault intact or "conscious".
I just don't see how Nimrod wins here. Other than by one-sided PIS/CIS against Hulk.
Like I mentioned I think it comes down to whether Nimrod fully understands the Hulk then he wins. But Hulk can win easily with thunderclaps and physical force.
That's why I say if he comes fully prepared and knowledgeable of the Hulk then he will have ways to win here. But if Hulk can dodge a few hits and gain some solid hits then he wins.
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Hulk could smash him to pieces and throw parts of his body to different states, destroying Nimrod would be a win.
Rogue destroyed his body aswell who had taken Colossus' powers.
I don't recall him stopping Juggernaut from being able to move his limbs, I remember him levitating Cain and blasting him across the city but that's it. In either case trying to restrain Hulk against his will isn't a smart tactic as it gives him a chance to struggle and amp. Some of his best feats come from beings far more powerful than Nimrod attempting to restrain/immobilize him.
Nimrod isn't "easily" defeating Hulk in any one of their fights you haven't really backed that claim up outside of saying he MIGHT be able to disrupt Hulks amping.
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As I mentioned the only way his body has been easily destroyed is when he is either attacked by a new amalgam which allows them to teleport his arm away, or phase through his machinery.
If you see the scan where Nimrod holds Juggernaut his arms are stuck tot he side of his body and not moving. If Juggernaut wasn't being restricted he wouldn't clamp his arms to the side of his body. He would try to break out.
You seem to neglect the fact that I also mentioned that Hulk could defeat Nimrod easily if given the chance. But if Nimrod fully knows the Hulk he can come up with so many different ways to win how to stop him that he can win.
It's not like I haven't given Hulk any credit at all. I am just saying Nimrod with a full idea of Hulk could win.
It has never been outright stated that he can adapt to non mutant powers but he hasn't ever come across a non mutant in battle bar Juggernaut. He was a predominately an X-Men villain so he didn't really fight non mutants.
So for all intents and purposes it hasn't been stated.
Rogue just tore his arm off and punched straight through him.
I see what you mean but I dunno man, it looks more like it could be due to the force of Nimrods attack rather than Juggernaut being restrained but I guess it's open to interpretation. Either way the point still stands... Attempting to restrain Hulk against his will is only going to give him a chance to amp and something else to smash.
I don't have an issue with you believing it's possible for Nimrod to come up with a way to win, but saying he could "easily" defeat Hulk or pull a split is a bit of a stretch based on his lack of feats.
It's true in a way what you said with Nimrod lacking feats. He exhibits a dangerous powerset but compared to Hulk it's hard but it's purely based on the select appearances from him that I have portrayed my argument (not to say you haven't just making my point)
I will explain the part you are speaking of.
On this occasion it was an amalgam i'e Rogue, Colossus and Nightcrawler.
On his database Nimrod will have this (this is vague so excuse explanations)
Colossus: Super Strength
Rogue: Absorption Power
Nightcrawler: Teleportation
But he doesn't have the amalgam in his database. So when it attacked him Nimrod was probably thinking who the f**k is this?
This doesn't comply, so due to that the amalgam could defeat him.
If you recall earlier on Nimrod detects Nightcrawlers teleportation and detects where he is travelling to and delivers a blast to that exact place.
But when they're combined as it isn't on his database he can't ascertain a way to win.
I would argue that Nimrod using his force would restrain Juggernaut and that's why he was that way. When I say he could easily defeat it's due to him having that plan. Nimrod hardly ever goes into a battle unprepared. That's why I say if Nimrod has the Hulk in his database so while he is in the air flying down to him he is analysing him.
When he is using a forcefield to block a punch he is analyzing him.
But on that occasion Hulk lands that extra punch or can stun Nimrod then Hulk wins.
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