If I would say that Emperor is more dominating then Abeloth in the use of Force powers, some members will brand me crazy (without thinking clearly) but I will take the chance.
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Force lightning:-
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Some Abeloth's Force lightning based showings:
Luke felt a sudden shiver of danger sense, and dived away a mere heartbeat ahead of a dancing fork of Force Lightning.
Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
Luke dodged this single bolt but it was a close call.
He tried to continue the motion and bring it up to deliver a blast of Force energy, but Abeloth had already launched her own attack by then, delivering a bolt of Force lightning that blasted straight through the stranger into Luke. He felt himself fly backward, consumed by pain, his entire being a column of blue, crackling Force flame.
Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse
Nothing grand again and Krayt also tanked this bolt. FYI: The stranger is actually Krayt.
In-fact, a mediocre Sith send Luke packing with a normal lightning cast or a single bolt:
In the next instant his father was riding a bolt of Force lightning into the grotto wall beside him. Ben ignited his lightsaber and shoved the blade into the crackling energy, disrupting the current and freeing his father.
Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
And you may find this surprising but Vestara forced Abeloth to flee with Force lightning:
The girl was already swinging both hands toward Abeloth and unleashing a dancing fork of Force lightning. Swallowing his surprise, Luke extended his hand to summon her lightsaber and sprang forward as best he could on his injured knee.
It was like hitting a wall of solid Force energy. One moment, he was hurling himself forward, reaching out to coordinate with Ben. The next, he was standing motionless, head spinning and ears ringing, watching Abeloth stumbling out the front door of the hall.
Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
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Now, check Emperor's storm:
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Revan's body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him. Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Emperor's lightning barrage can literally melt bodies and superheat metal or worse. And Revan have excellent defenses for a Jedi. Only Yoda have comparable showings but not exactly on par. Revan's exposure to power of such magnitude was very short in span since the entire confrontation lasted few seconds:
It all happened in the space of only a few seconds.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
And yet, Revan ended-up badly wounded.
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Observation:
I don't see how Luke can survive a barrage of such magnitude, should it happen. Even lightsaber-augmented defenses have limits. Emperor have demonstrated the intensity to overwhelm lightsaber-augmented defenses as well as apparent from his actions against the Jedi Strike Team on his space station and he actually went easy on these Jedi as per Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia.
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Telepathic powers:-
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Abeloth have an excellent showing in this case but she did not use these powers on Luke for some reason. PIS?
Before Taalon could reply, Sith all over the village began to scream and hack at the air. Sometimes they hit Fallanassi, sometimes they hit a tree fern or a fungus-covered hut, occasionally they even hit one another—but most of the time they struck nothing at all. Still, they universally began to cringe and wince as though taking blows, and within seconds they began to retreat into defensive squares that did nothing at all to diminish their panic.
Luke glanced over at Ben and was relieved to see that Akanah had spared his son—and Vestara—from her illusion. He signaled them to come and stand with him and Taalon, who also seemed to be free of the deception. Then he withdrew his presence from the White Current, just far enough to see the illusion to which the Sith were reacting.
Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
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Undoubtedly, Emperor also have fantastic showings with these powers:
Tenebrae broke Lord Dramath's mind, but not before revealing that he was actually his son.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
The legendary Jedi Revan and Malak confront the Sith Emperor in his throne room on Dromund Kaas. In mere moments, the Jedi lay defeated and consumed by the dark side of the Force.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Most Jedi who ventured into Imperial space vanished without a trace, but a few managed to send back disturbing messages to their Masters. These fragmented communiques showed the Emperor's Jedi pursuers descending into fear, madness, and evil when faced with his power. It quickly became clear the Sith Emperor was more then a brilliant military strategist and cunning political leader. He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor's mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic
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Observation:
Emperor uses these powers in combat situations. In-fact, Emperor defeated many adversaries by subjecting them to these powers alone. Luke is not immune to these powers (apparent from events featuring Lord Nyax) and Emperor is arguably the greatest master of these powers.
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Telekinetic powers:-
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Abeloth have an impressive telekinetic showing in combat situation:
A sudden shock wave hurled Ben into the sky. He felt paralyzed for a second, unable to use the Force to direct his fall, and landed hard. Ben got to his feet, grabbing his lightsaber from where it had fallen.
Abeloth was gone. He realized, as everyone else did, what must have happened. She had gathered strength to send out a powerful Force shock, to throw her attackers off her briefly, and disappeared.
Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Allies
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Revan is a telekinetic prodigy. He send an entire Strike Team of powerful Force-users packing with a Force wave in a battle, as an example. Details in this profile: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/da...t-thread/95278/
And Revan's telekinetic powers were ineffective against Emperor:
Revan landed on the ground and wheeled around to face the other man. He thrust out with the Force, the impact hitting the soldier square in the chest. Instead of sending him flying, it only staggered him back half a step—this close to the Emperor they were sworn to protect, the guards were able to draw on his power to protect themselves.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Revan nearly approached oneness state to momentarily overwhelm Emperor with telekinetic blast of power and Emperor was actually caught off-guard during this attack by virtue of attempting telepathic assault on Revan.
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Emperor is also a telekinetic prodigy and had no trouble overwhelming Revan without even a gesture:
His opponent stood perfectly still, focusing and channeling his power. At the last possible instant, the Emperor unleashed a wave of energy that swept Revan off his feet and sent him flying backward.
Observation:
Luke have great telekinetic showings but even he will be hard-pressed to budge Emperor with these powers. And Emperor have sufficient raw power to handle Luke with these powers as apparent from his actions against Revan.
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Verdict:
The above are some powers in which a direct comparison of abilities of Abeloth and Emperor was possible.
I shall remind you that Emperor is arguably the most masterful sorcerer to exist in the mythos and he is stated to have explored the most sinister and uncharted depths of the dark side. It is therefore expected of him to have surprises up his sleeve besides his common showings.
Yes, Emperor can defeat Luke and this is not far-fetched assumption.
Your brain shuts down in matters featuring Abeloth, it seems. I provided direct comparison of the showings of both. Prove that my assessment is wrong.
Also, here is a laugh-worthy event:
The girl was already swinging both hands toward Abeloth and unleashing a dancing fork of Force lightning. Swallowing his surprise, Luke extended his hand to summon her lightsaber and sprang forward as best he could on his injured knee.
It was like hitting a wall of solid Force energy. One moment, he was hurling himself forward, reaching out to coordinate with Ben. The next, he was standing motionless, head spinning and ears ringing, watching Abeloth stumbling out the front door of the hall.
Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
More importantly, Abeloth lost many avatars in her confrontations with the Jedi and Sith. Seriously, wake up.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 15th, 2015 at 08:14 PM
That's still defeated by G-Canon, which notes a 'higher midichlorian count then Yoda.' Also, Sidious' statement that Anakin will become more powerful then 'either of us.'
Anakin hasn't lost much, over all. If anything.
Vitate seems to be overstated here....he is certainly no Aboleth, though perhaps if he had a year or two to ritual himself up with millions of sacrificial victims he might temporarily become Aboleth. It' wear off though.
Also of note, Luke wasn't using One with the Force during the Aboleth battle, though Ben was. So Luke wasn't operating at full capacity.
Anakin certainly had very high midichlorian count but Disney's revised assessment makes sense. Anakin's midichlorian count is highest "on record."
In ancient times, midichlorian counts did not take place. Force-sensitives were commonly identified as such with Jedi senses during ancient times.
Emperor is not overstated here. I have drawn a direct comparison of some of the powers of both Emperor and Abeloth in combat situations, using official information of both. And Emperor's raw power doesn't wears off, he continued to grow in power throughout his span of existence.
Abeloth have some excellent showings but she is hyped beyond measure to be honest.
Neither did Krayt.
Both Luke and Krayt fought Abeloth in a special setting without using lightsabers and performed very well with their own raw power and talents.
Also, when exactly is Luke ever operating at full capacity? It seems like excuses for Luke never run out.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 15th, 2015 at 08:31 PM
Krayt is actually operating at higher then normal levels. The Krayt that fights Cade in the future seems weaker then the one we see here.
Full capacity tends to be 'using Oneness.' This is the sort of thing that lets him collapse the Vong Blackhole, as you've mentioned elsewhere.
Since he can use that when he sees fit (nice thing about being a Skywalker...) it's his free choice to go there or not.
The Old Republic does not exist in Disney Canon, so comparing Disney Canon to SWTOR is apples and oranges. SWTOR characters are Legends, and must be compared to other Legends characters.
Last edited by Angelalex242 on Jan 15th, 2015 at 08:33 PM
So you put stock in that statement but not the one below:
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.
Source: Encyclopedia
Selective much?
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Abeloth's supposed 12x greater strength doesn't seems to reflect in her actions somehow. She should theoretically just choke Luke or any Jedi to death.
And yet? Maybe that hype is Luke's opinion?
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Let's settle this.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 15th, 2015 at 09:05 PM
The Krayt that fought Cade was weaker, due to his armor slowly killing and crippling him. After his rebirth though, he was stronger than ever.
Abeloth's incompetence makes peoples interpretation of Vitiate look like a prodigy by comparison. If she were that much stronger than Luke she really has no excuse not to have crushed him like a bug.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Jan 15th, 2015 at 09:05 PM
That quote can be Luke's own assessment. When he was in the choke-hold of Abeloth, he may have felt that she is like 12 times as strong as him. Novels tend to represent opinion and perspective of characters, miss.
However, if Abeloth was indeed that strong, she would have just snapped Luke's neck or popped his skull. But this did not happen.
I know that Encyclopedia is restricted by timeline. However, it clearly states that Emperor was most powerful among all Force-users for as long as he existed.
If we are to assume that Abeloth somehow grew more powerful afterwards, her performance does not lives up to her hype.
Emperor have solid feats and victories under his belt.
And Abeloth has what? Loss of many avatars?
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 15th, 2015 at 09:24 PM
I feel people who haven't read FOTJ are getting a false understanding of Abeloth's power. Wookieepedia does a bad job on her.
She is easily the worst combatant-to-power character in the Star Wars mythos... reading the books would that make crystal clear.
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