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-Pr-
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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you weren't so cheesaphobic, then we'd get along quite fine pr.

Yes. 20 white men out of thousands of games is a real issue. **** freedom, change it.

I'm sorry. If only I could. sad

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Robin has been featured on some of the most embarrassing covers in history. Which should come natural to a guy who wears panties

Although yeah, the "outrage" wasn't simply at the embarassment. They legitimately thought it supported rape culture. I don't agree and the Batgirl cover didn't bother me, but I don't care that it's being changed.

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Stuff like that is why we need more character creators in games.

Those are great. I think we need new properties with non-conventional protagonists too.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yes. 20 white men out of thousands of games is a real issue. **** freedom, change it.

Your post was an exaggerated stance no one holds(I'll admit I laughed though), so I answered with an exaggerated(possibly less so) response.

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Originally posted by krisblaze
**** this.

And **** those who want to try and portray video-games as some shit medium with only white guys and machineguns.

It was a snap shot of mainstream gaming. No one said this makes the medium shit. I loved several of those games personally.

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Originally posted by StyleTime
It was a snap shot of mainstream gaming. No one said this makes the medium shit.

It's not mainstream gaming and it's oudated.

Dead Rising was never mainstream gaming.

Posting pictures of men from games where you can choose your own gender no expression

Look at the games up for GOTY this year. DA:I, Bayonetta, DS2, Shadow of Mordor, Destiny, Alien, even Hearthstone.

These aren't all games where you're just some white guy, and it's bullshit for you to come here with your shit meme from 2006 and try to claim otherwise.

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Those are great. I think we need new properties with non-conventional protagonists too.

Sure. Just don't make them replace series' that people already play regularly.

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It's not mainstream gaming and it's oudated.

Dead Rising was never mainstream gaming.

Posting pictures of men from games where you can choose your own gender

Look at the games up for GOTY this year. DA:I, Bayonetta, DS2, Shadow of Mordor, Destiny, Alien, even Hearthstone.

These aren't all games where you're just some white guy, and it's bullshit for you to come here with your shit meme from 2006 and try to claim otherwise.

Eh, to be fair, white men are still more represented in games than any other gender/colour.

It's just retarded when people say there are no good female protagonists. There are plenty.

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Eh, to be fair, white men are still more represented in games than any other gender/colour.

It's just retarded when people say there are no good female protagonists. There are plenty.

Sure, they are.

Because game developers are primarily white middle-aged men, and because that's been the traditional audience.

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Sure, they are.

Because game developers are primarily white middle-aged men, and because that's been the traditional audience.

No argument from me.

Just saying there's room for all sorts.

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It's not mainstream gaming and it's oudated.

Dead Rising was never mainstream gaming.

Posting pictures of men from games where you can choose your own gender

Look at the games up for GOTY this year. DA:I, Bayonetta, DS2, Shadow of Mordor, Destiny, Alien, even Hearthstone.

These aren't all games where you're just some white guy, and it's bullshit for you to come here with your shit meme from 2006 and try to claim otherwise.

Dead Rising is mainstream, and it was an awesome game to boot.

Also, I said "was" a snapshot. Not like the pic is totally irrelevant regardless.

I've played most of those already, and I am not sure what you're point is there.

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Sure. Just don't make them replace series' that people already play regularly.

I agree. I wouldn't ask someone to make Alan Wake Chinese out of nowehere or something.

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Just saying there's room for all sorts.

Mar 19th, 2015 12:40 AM

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No argument from me.

Just saying there's room for all sorts.

Yeah, and there has been for many years.

But people get caught up in this one narrative and don't consider anything outside "them evil white privileged men!"

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Originally posted by StyleTime
Dead Rising is mainstream, and it was an awesome game to boot.

Also, I said "was" a snapshot. Not like the pic is totally irrelevant regardless.

I've played most of those already, and I am not sure what you're point is there.

Bullshit, that's not "all you was saying".

You've got a picture of male shepard claiming it's an example of videogame characters all being white?

Phuck that.

Let's look at the top xbox games on metacritic the last couple of years. DS 1 and 2, Skyrim, Mass Effect 2 and 3, GTA 5.

5 of these have a female option! Same at this years top games and last years top games.

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Mar 19th, 2015 12:41 AM

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Dead Rising is mainstream

It is?

doesn't feel like it to me compared to something like Minecraft.

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Yeah, and there has been for many years.

But people get caught up in this one narrative and don't consider anything outside "them evil white privileged men!"

No, that would be you being defensive. No one said the white men involved, either as characters or developers, are evil.

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It is?

doesn't feel like it to me compared to something like Minecraft.

They could both be. I mean, what are we calling mainstream here?

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Dead Rising only made a few hundred k sales last I checked.

Way above estimate but in no way "mainstream".

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No, that would be you being defensive. No one said the white men involved, either as characters or developers, are evil.

I was referring more to the narrative forced by those who generally propogate "all main characters are white 30 something males" bullshit.

No one here's made that claim smile

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Mar 19th, 2015 12:49 AM

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Something that everyone knows & likes.

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Dead Rising only made a few hundred k sales last I checked.

Way above estimate but in no way "mainstream".

I was referring more to the narrative forced by those who generally propogate "all main characters are white 30 something males" bullshit.

No one here's made that claim

I guess I am considering how recognized the product is. Walk into a room of gamers, and everyone knows what Dead Rising is, even if they don't play. Compare that with like....I don't know some indy game like Hydrophobia or Dishwasher: Vampire Smile.

Well, I think the humor gets lost sometimes in discussions like these. The meme is supposed to be a joke that highlights a real issue. They have to go to the extreme to make it funny.

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Something that everyone knows & likes.

Do you mean gamers or the world as a whole? If we're talking people in general, then only stuff like Mario is actually mainstream.

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Mar 19th, 2015 12:59 AM

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I guess I am considering how recognized the product is. Walk into a room of gamers, and everone knows what Dead Rising is, even if they don't play. Compare that with like....I don't know some indy game like Hydrophobia or Dishwasher: Vampire Smile.

Hydrophobia doesn't have the exposure but probably sold more individual units than Dead Rising because of steam sales stick out tongue

Like you say though, well known to some, not to others.

But there is very little brand recognition to dead rising. Frank West is not a particularly well known main character.

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Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, I think the humor gets lost sometimes in discussions like these. The meme is supposed to be a joke that highlights a real issue. They have to go to the extreme to make it funny.

I've seen it used too many times in serious discussions I think smile

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Hydrophobia doesn't have the exposure but probably sold more individual units than Dead Rising because of steam sales

No surprise there when the first game was only console exclusive.

Mar 19th, 2015 01:07 AM

StyleTime
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I hate you all. I loved Dead Rising sad

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I hate you all. I loved Dead Rising

I only played the first.

It was good smile

Spawned lots of good porn.

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Kazenji
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Don't hate me

i too like Dead Rising....haven't played the latest one.

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****! I just realized that Bran and Pr said everything I wanted to say no expression

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If dev's want to make every game from now until the end of time feature a white male in the lead that's their damned right to do so. The fact that people think that they have the right to tell a developer who the protagonist of a game that they aren't making, and have no stake in, should be, is kind of gross.

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