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Originally posted by riv6672
Avengers/JLA. It wasnt all of Atlantis, but, it was a fair number of Soldiers led by Attuma. He also made Marinna pass out by doing so.

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He can summon some ridiculous creatures, actually.

I wouldn't say he has "almost the same stats" as Namor, though. He's weaker, not 100% bulletproof, etc.


No He's not weaker.
Pre 52 Arthur's best strength feat is the sub Diego feat. He lifted an underwater city so a feat in the "1000's" of tons.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads..._strength_1.jpg

During the "New Venice" era he casually held up about a 14 story building that the foundation was collapsing while it was evacuated. A two story home made out of only timber etc can weigh as much as 62 tons. Most high rises have at least twice the square footage on the ground as such a home and are made of metal framing and concrete to support the weight. (making them weigh much much more per cubed meter). Assuming the same cubed meter weight that would make such a building about 900 tons. He's tuned over oil rigs, lifted tankers etc. (Unfortunately I can't find my issue with that one). He can knock a winded Superboy around quite easily
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads..._superboy_2.jpg

People assume that Arthur is weaker than Namor because his strength feats aren't shown as often but they are there, and there is very little between them in strength. .

He definitely takes Namor in speed as his best speed feat that I recall was outracing an overhead concord through the water.

No he's not a "100% bulletproof" but pre 52 it took high caliber bullets to do any major damage to him. Not that it matters much when due to TP he can sense when he targeted anyway.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...1from+human.jpg
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His durability however is far from lacking (and his healing factor too). He could take this blow from Wonderwoman that sent him through a wall across a city block through another wall and get straight back up and keep fighting.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...man_v_jla_2.jpg

Though seriously his easiest win against Namor (again pre 52) is simply going to be mind rape
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...quaman_tp_2.jpg
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His Tp isn't limited to just sea creatures.
Even against dimensional entities
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A lot of those feats are food for debate, but i just wanted to point out, as posted by zopzop at the top of the page...

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...mindrape isnt one of those things.


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Plus, Aquaman has the water hand there, which boosted him.


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A lot of those feats are food for debate, but i just wanted to point out, as posted by zopzop at the top of the page...

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...mindrape isnt one of those things.

Yes it is Arthur has used hi telepathy to control beings that weren't "sea life" before. so the scan is very inconsistent. White martians in one of those scans or the dimensional entity in another scan i showed.

Fact is he TP has affected non sea life almost as much as it has sea life.

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Plus, Aquaman has the water hand there, which boosted him.
Water hand did boost his TP but only when he had direct contact as I recall (like when he used it to heal Black manta's psychosis)

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Agree to disagree.
There's no debate in the mindrape scenario IMO, it wont work.
IYO, it will.


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Originally posted by zopzop
I just remembered something, didn't AM mindr@pe ALL of Marvel Atlantis in a canon crossover?

The more I think about it the more I see that Namor has absolutely no chance vs AM. This is the worst possible matchup for Namor. It's like Killer Frost vs Human Torch (or any fire wielder), it's not a fight, it's a massacre.



Because of TP? You have to be joking. After knocking out all Atlantians, Namor said he had a slight headache. He's also resisted the serpent crown. Also, there is no way this new jack with all his bells and whistles could fight as evenly with the Hulk as Namor has throughout his existence. Also, Namor should be the more experienced and better hand to hand fighter of the two. Namor eventually impales him.


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So a mind bolt that takes out Attuma and his army tickles Namor.


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^ Yea somebody better read those scans again. Not only that he wasn't even directing it at Namor.


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Agree to disagree.
There's no debate in the mindrape scenario IMO, it wont work.
IYO, it will.

All I'm saying is that scan doesn't prove that Namor won't be affected.

1. As stated by deadline Namor wasn't even a target and yet still felt effects.
2. Arthur has feats of affecting beings with greater TP resistance than Namor has shown. For example in the scans I loaded the dimensional entity that he TP fought couldn't be breached by MMH until Arthur weakened it resistance. Arthur has also breached Jonn's own defenses.
3.as with the scan by. Zop zop there are instances of others being seriously affected as a mere side effect of Arthur's TP when they weren't the target. For example when he fought Kordax his TP assault caused pain in every living thing in the ocean.

What we have to remember is Arthur's TP is VERY different to that of most TPers. It usually acts on lower brain function not high. Think about the fact that most things he TPs aren't intelligent life. They don't have higher brain function. That's why for example he gives white Martians a seizure instead of controls them to do things.

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Marrina wasnt a target either, and was KOd.
Pretty obvious Aquaman did a pray and spray there.
But thats why i'm agreeing to disagree.


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He was attacking ocean physiology and shutting their minds down, not Namor directly. That doesn't mean if he focused on one target it wouldn't work.
He's not limited to oceanic life.

He nearly took out Namor on accident because of Namor having halfway similar physiology.


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He was attacking ocean physiology and shutting their minds down, not Namor directly. That doesn't mean if he focused on one target it wouldn't work.
He's not limited to oceanic life.

He nearly took out Namor on accident because of Namor having halfway similar physiology.


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He was attacking ocean physiology and shutting their minds down, not Namor directly. That doesn't mean if he focused on one target it wouldn't work.
He's not limited to oceanic life.

He nearly took out Namor on accident because of Namor having halfway similar physiology.

OR...stick out tongue
He couldnt take down Namor because his hybrid physiology, the same physiology that makes Aquaman so potent, is beyond him.


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I actually don't mind Aquaman winning I actually like the character. I think I like him more than Namor


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OR...stick out tongue
He couldnt take down Namor because his hybrid physiology, the same physiology that makes Aquaman so potent, is beyond him.


Which was due to him targeting sea life forms. Namor is a hybrid, so he was not targeting namors type. He has taken control of millennium Giants, alien life forms, white Martians, humans, non-aquatic species, etc, etc but here he was going for a specific type and it worked.


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Aquaman.


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Which was due to him targeting sea life forms. Namor is a hybrid, so he was not targeting namors type. He has taken control of millennium Giants, alien life forms, white Martians, humans, non-aquatic species, etc, etc but here he was going for a specific type and it worked.

But he's never taken control of anyone like himself, from a different reality to boot.

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You don't think he can affect Namor?


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