That's fair, but still incomparable to even Arcann imho.
Edit: I shouldn't say incomparable, as that would imply vastly inferior. I more or less meant that such a feat is, at its highest worth, Arcann level. Which even that I still doubt, though not by vast disparity.
Is there any proof that Plagueis can comfortably pull that shit with Valkorion raining on him?
You're misunderstanding my argument. In terms of feats, Plagueis isn't necessarily much better than Arcann, much less Vitiate. I give Plagueis his benefit of the doubt because of his implied power and standing in the Banite Line. But in terms of feats, There's no way in hell Plagueis is closing in on Valkorion.
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Frankly, I don't know and I don't care. It's not as if it suits me to try to prove that. I'd rather it wasn't. However, it's a plausible argument someone could make.
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I don't care if you think Vitiate has better feats or not. He can still lose. All that you asked me was if I think, based on showings, Plagueis beating Valkorion isn't retarded. I just gave you a plausible scenario, as well as the midichlorian argument. Based on showings, it can be argued that Plagueis has the tools to beat him.
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He can punch through a solid door of Transparisteel, punch through armored torsos, and can fight through failing hearts.
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Arguments being plausible doesn't necessitate them not being "retarded." Someone can argue Luke oneshots Sidious and Valkorion combined via fold space. It's a plausible argument that has evidence and precedent, but practically speaking it's pretty "retarded." Speaking of which, to make such an argument that Plagueis's MM can plausibly defeat Valkorion, one would need plausible evidence for such. So you saying the argument is plausible despite admitting to not have knowledge on the matter strikes me as (please log in to view the image)
As I mentioned earlier, an argument being theoretically plausible doesn't make it not "retarded" (In the context of how the term is being used.) Based on showings, Plagueis has legitimately not shown anything that I can imagine would lead someone to believe he cuts down Valkorion. A lot of this is due to circumstance, but in reality his feat against the strike team, Ziost, Arcann, and Arcann again convincingly beat out Plagueis's feats against Venamis and the Maladians.
Though, realistically, opting to quarrel was pretty foolish on my part, given that Plagueis beating Valkorion being retarded solely depends on how McP believes Plagueis beats Valkorion. I just don't really see any good, or, not "retarded" avenues, as far as raw feats are concerned. Add in implications and what not, then yeah, the argument can and has been made.
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The team eats him for lunch. Palpatine at this point was already an absolute monster - and according to Luceno - Plagueis is above TPM Palpatine, before his death at least.
You are assuming that Valkorion will fight on their terms which is unlikely. Valkorion will utterly bombard his opponents to submission before they can close the gap.
Tanking Valkorion powers is not an easy thing. Valkorion wrecked Revan in a span of 2 seconds(?) when he became serious; bombardment was so intense that Revan's body reaching boiling-point and pain was astounding. Now keep in mind that Revan is a Yoda-tier Force-user and his defensive abilities are among the best we have seen yet.
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There is no betrayal. I indicated at the start that I personally lean Valkorion. I'm just not saying it's impossible for Plagueis to win, or for someone to believe so with good cause.
Valkorion is a planet buster and lightsabers are like glowsticks to him and he can beat Jordan 1 on 1 in a game of pickup and teach Hawking about physics.
What's so impressive about him blocking lightsaber strikes with barrier?
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