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Apologising for your incessant "all of kotor is shit" brain fart might be a start, you're supposed to be one of the most intellectual members of the forum yet you subscribe to retarded era wars?
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The quality of KotOR and KotOR II has absolutely nothing to do with the combat ability of the people in that era. Like at all. NJO doesn't have OP characters because of it's quality writing and interesting setting, lel.
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That wasn't my point, every era has stands out, PT merely benefits from by far the greatest exposure. NJO is basically Star Wars authors writing down every half baked moronic idea they can fashion. Thus they have the strongest roster.
However the idea that any one given era is a useless cesspool of no talent or power, just because we don't have enough "feats" to "wank" is utterly moronic. If a character, regardless of who, is stated to be excellent at something thrn they are excellent, feat wars is just the antithesis of logic. Feats surely help but they aren't the be-all-end-all of our ability to comprehend what a character can do.
These arbitrary "forum standards" are just senseless.
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Or maybe, and I hope you're setting down for this one because it's going to blow your mind, he saw the feats for these people and didn't find them all that impressive, not because they were in a certain era, but because they weren't all that impressive? It's not arbitrary just because you don't agree with it. This forum is based on accolades and feats, and when one has just about the same accolades, feats are what we fall back on. And KotOR/KotOR II era characters leave a lot of us wanting.
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I know exactly why, I merely think saying Revan is a Ventress tier duelist, as many 'PT Brigade' users claim, is laughably incredulous. They aren't legendary long after their time for mediocrity.
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AP can't read, stay tuned for our special report. It says that it was "difficult" to find tranquility, not impossible or that she couldn't do it. It being difficult merely means it was harder than usual but she could manage to do it. You yourself posted her performing that warrior trance in your reply to Skillz. So gosh, I guess she could do it. Thanks for clearing that up, AP! (please log in to view the image)
And if she had fought on Nathema like she did on Malachor you might have a point. But she didn't. There's no indication that her brief stay on the planet caused actual damage or that she couldn't recover in the 2 full days she had to do so before T3 deciphered the data enough for her to start reading it. Meetra actually says that she's ok after getting off the planet:
“You wouldn’t understand,” she told him. “But I’m okay now. Just give me a few minutes and we’ll take a look at what you pulled from those data banks.”
It only took her a few minutes to shake it off and she had a further 2 days afterwards to recover and heal whatever imaginary damage you think she suffered. And again, if she were impacted she'd have to be an utter idiot to walk into the heart of the Sith Empire without being at her best. I mean, really, how stupid do you think this woman is? Cuz I thought she was supposed to be a tactical genius, lol.
Furthermore its clear that you have no concept of metaphor or hyperbole. Meetra wasn't actually going to disintegrate, she just felt as if she were as an expression of her discomfort. In a story, someone isn't going to actually "shake apart" etc when they're scared, the writer just says they feel like they might to get across how scared they are.
And there's absolutely no mention of her being negatively impacted by that when she gets to Kaas. You're making it up. She had more than enough time to recuperate herself on the trip there. And 2 days is more than enough time to recover from the ****-all nothing that she suffered from Nathema.
Oh no, not shivers! She heads straight there as in she travels there by hyperspace, which as we know can easily take enough time to rest, eat and recover. It also doesn't say that she headed straight there after getting the coordinates. She could have easily rested and the author just neglected to mention it, just like he neglected to mention any of what you're saying.
Just like you neglected to mention that Meetra spent another 2 days on Dromund Kaas where she could have easily recovered, slept and eaten before getting into any fights. Obviously a simple mistake on your part, I'm sure you weren't deliberately obfuscating the facts to further your point.
I'm not sure why you're intent on proving that Meetra did better than Scourge did in their fights, considering that TOR Scourge is vastly superior to his incarnation in the novel.
They did. Unlike Nathema, which caused no lasting damage whatsoever, Malachor was actively hindering her greatly. It's really inarguable. You have no legs to stand on.
Says the person who is misrepresenting the events of the novel to a massive degree, accidentally I'm sure. My point was that you're wholely incorrect about Scourge, as Skillz has already pointed out. He possess incredible potential left in Revan which he undoubtedly achieved by TOR. He was amped by the Emperor and received bio-tech amps. And obviously 300 years of training would be really ****ing useful when you're already a prodigy.
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It was difficult and she gives up even trying when T3 starts beeping at her. Also a trance has nothing to do with meditation. She was trying to achieve enlightenment in the prior example via meditation, whereas in the second she was in a trance designed to cleanse her mind of emotions. What horrifically poor logical process did you go through to think they were the same thing?
Are you really THIS thick? The planet is a void of annihilation that did exactly the same thing to everything Vitiate absorbed in the ritual, it isn't a metaphor you bimbo. How the hell is a metaphor worse than Malachor V? Did you even read the damn quote?
Her saying she'll be okay is just her reassuring T3 of her health so he'll decipher data, how can you possibly think that Meetra Surik is surviving that and then is absolutely fine afterwards? Not to mention the ensuing four days of a total lack of sleeping and eating isn't going to simply worsen the after effects? You realise Palpatine after a few weeks of the same was on borderline physical shutdown, right?
I also like how you try to call me out for not mentioning that she had two initial days... after quoting me mentioning exactly that. I also love how you assume two days is going to fully heal something that bad when something as relatively minor as Force lightning has effected other Jedi for weeks before fully healing it.
The point being that Meetra is not nearly 100%, whereas Scourge had available amps at his disposable in both fights. Yet Meetra still outperforms him both times by fairly drastic degrees.
Lord Scourge loses his ability to feel emotions altogether and thus loses his dark side gorging ability and thus his biggest mark for potential is taken as a price of immortality. 1,100 serious combats over 300 years isn't impressive by any margin compared to elite army busters like Meetra Surik or Revan.
Obviously Scourge got a lot better but your claim that he's essentially somehow doubling his combat prowess sounds like an overestimate to me. Because really that is how far he's going to need to get to improve that drastically.
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He went from getting destroyed by Nyriss, with Meetra's help, to making every single person on the dark council scared of his presence, thats a drastic improvement on his part, as Nyriss wasn't even the strongest person on the Dark Council back then.
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The guards have thick chestplate armour and a helmet, but their entire lower body is just mesh and robes, massed blaster rifle fire is going to kill quite a few.
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I'm not seeing any thick chest piece armor. There's a little bit of armor that covers their front which seems kinda pointless, helmet and shoulder guards. But the rest just appear to be as the rest of the clothing.
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Because he's the immortal Emperor's Wrath and thus you're f#cked no matter what you do. The enigma and fear surrounding such a figure isn't restrained to Scourge either, as the second Wrath also instantly cowed the Dark Council despite Baras being right there. The Imperial Guard have the same mysteriousness and fear themselves.
Also, the Dark Council that replaced Nyriss' Dark Council was not nearly as powerful, were essentially the Emperor's bitches, and those Scourge saw going by throughout his centuries, didn't impress him at all, a stark contrast to Darth Nyriss herself.
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Because they are basically the same thing. They she's trying to do different things doesn't mean its not basically the same methods to do so.
Its a metaphor in how badly it made her feel. It wasn't literally pulling her apart you idiot. Its constantly says "it was like x" because they weren't literal things happening to her. It was worse than Malachor because it caused her to react more strongly "Her body reacted with a revulsion so strong she felt physically ill. Her mind briefly tried to imagine what had happened to cause such an abomination, then recoiled from the answers. Her mind went blank and her body numb." but she wasn't actually going to freaking disintegrate. Thats ****ing stupid. Revan was freaking unconscious on Nathema and didn't evaporate from "The VOID!". Meetra specifically identifies the threat of Nathema as being to her sanity, not her physical body.
And even if we do take it literally... so what? It didn't physically harm her, it didn't mentally scar her, it didn't permanently affect her ability to use the Force. What specific thing do you think it did to her, why do you think that this actually affected her performance that she couldn't recover from it and what evidence to you have to prove that?
Because if you can't answer those questions I'm pretty much just going to take it as a concession on your part and a waste of my time.
She says that she's fine, is how I possibly think that. Her opinion > yours. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING indicating she suffered a lasting impact from it. You're entirely fabricating this out of thin air. You have no evidence at all that it continued to play a part in the novel. And of course those 4 days wouldn't worsen the effects. She had 2 days prior to that to recover and she was specifically sustaining herself with the Force so she didn't suffer at all. When someone is actively taking care of any negative effects with the Force.... usually they aren't suffering from any negative effects. I can see how that could be difficult to understand though.
A few weeks is a significantly longer time than 4 days.
I was talking about the 2 days she spends on Dromund Kaas after arriving there (plus the time to meet Scourge). Easily enough time to get a bite to eat, book into a hotel and have a nice relaxing bath to ease off the shivers she was clearly getting wrecked by.
Lmao "something as relatively minor as Force lightning" she says. As if an actual physical injury is someone easy to heal than.......
You know I actually tried to think of what it is you think Nathema did to her and I really can't because it literally did nothing. Did it effect her spiritually? Or physically? Or like, mentally maybe? Because she certainly wasn't affected in any of those ways that she couldn't easy fix in a few days.
She actually doesn't, another thing you're fabricating. She wasn't really affected at all and definitely not worse than she was on Malachor where her best feats took place.
This is a flat out lie.
Wrong. The point of the 1,100 opponents is that is gives Scourge an almost unparalleled level of experience in combat compared to others and a complete understanding of dueling.
He needs to be twice as powerful as he was in Revan to beat Meetra?
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>Hyperbole
>Stupid
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>Lord Scourge performs comparatively poorly to Meetra throughout the novel
>Lord Scourge is rendered numb to emotion in the months following Revan.
>Lord Scourge's 'great potential' is his ability to gorge on emotion.
>Lord Scourge can shitstomp Meetra.
I'm done with the Neph TOR wank, thanks very much.
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Jun 14th, 2016 09:49 AM
Thanks Scribble!
