A single exchange, i.e. a small sequence of moves... that lasts about as long as it takes a hypersonic Jedi to leap around two MagnaGuards, so evidently a couple of seconds at best.
Nowhere does it say a small sequence of moves. That's your own nomenclature. The novel notes that Mace and Grievous had an exchange that lasted an indeterminate period, one we know lasted as long as it took Fisto and his magna guard opponents to fight their way across one end of the maglev to the other.
And no it wasn't a leap. Fisto started off at the end of the maglev Grievous and the magnaguards disembarked off of and then the fight progressed to the other end. Hardly a simple leap.
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Aside from Vaapad being a much improved version of Juyo and something Kenobi never faced before, it also helps Mace channel his inner darkness and unleash it against Kenobi. As opposed to what some here think, Vaapad does not work its magic against dark siders only. He also has Shatterpoint, btw. Mace's skill set is way more impressive than Kenobi's.
Either way, Mace has better feats, better accolades and is simply described as an overall better duelist than Kenobi. You seriously see Yoda telling Mace 'to fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough you are not'?
It's honestly very clear-cut that Mace and Yoda are the top dogs of the PT and a whole tier above anyone else.
Hey, if I digged the exaggerations I'd say Mace Windu moves in nanoseconds, lol. Anyways, primitive weapons in Star Wars like slugthrowers are noted as being hypersonic, a blaster and a slugthrower fired in damn-near immediately the same time moved in similar speeds, Jedi deflect blaster bolts on a daily basis, etc. And before you say precog, an expert Jedi Killer like HK-47 has noted that anything improvised and random(like someone shooting randomly in the span of a second) is a perfect counter to precognition. Also Jango dodged the blasters with his back turned and Kenobi is at least fast as him by AotC, and Fisto is faster
But Precog is the correct answer. If you can dodge a bullet before it's even fired, because you can predict when it will be fired, that hardly counts as superior movement speed now, does it? If that were the case, there wouldn't be a long list of people who can challenge Jedi/Sith outside those ranks, and Grevious' 20 strikes per second wouldn't be such a major threat to the order.
I assume that's how he kills Jedi, as you already noted?
The most logical explanation is that Jango anticipated the blaster fire, and his opponents simply missed the target.
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And precog fails against impuslive and random acts, like firing a laser at a person rapidly. Also, there's simply times where even precog can't help a Force sensitive deflect every single shot. Think Kenobi deflecting omnidirectional blaster fire. Each blaster bolt came immediately after another, so despite even precog, Obi would need to move his hands in similar speeds to deflect all of it. As per GG's 20-strikes-per-second, it was more than that IIRC and it was from Obi-Wan's point of view as to how fast Grievous was striking. I mean, a measly 20-strikes-per-second is peak human, and Pablo Higaldo and Leland Chee confirm all Jedi are superhuman+.
I assume it is how he kills them, yes.
Actually, Jango didn't even see the shooters and his opponents would've hit their mark had he not ducked quickly. So yeah... Besides, marking top-tier Jedi as hypersonic is being awfly conservative when you have sources saying blaster bolts are lightspeed and Jedi move in nanoseconds
Oh really, I suppose you weren't the one claiming Maul and Fisto were faster than light. That must have been someone else.
Pre-cognition might have failed for the Jedi HK47 hunted, but Kenobi's defence was revered as the numero-uno of it's time. Something the impulsive and random swordplay of grievous couldn't penetrate. It's hardly fair to compare him with the Jedi remnants from the Mandalorian wars, I mean, did it ever occur to you that Kenobi might be better than them, or that tarring all Force-users with the same brush is a little silly? However, unless you can find me evidence of Kenobi 'outpacing' a blaster bolt - that is - running as fast as one from the same starting point, then theres is no reason to believe he can move at a similar speed. When it comes to deflecting multiple blasters, his pre-cog does't magically disappear. He can still predict what's going to come at him and in what direction, he simply has to match his assailants rate of fire. Which isn't the same as being 'hypersonic'.
Firstly, it certainly was 20 strikes per second, and that was when Grevious "ramped up" the efficiency. Secondly, the narrative focalisation isn't just limited to Kenobi in this scene, and it does extend to all thoughts and all knowledge of all characters in the story. In spite of this, there is no reason to doubt Kenobi's judgement, especially on the basis of cherry picking the feats you don't like, and keeping the ones you do.
Jango doesn't need to see the shooters to know they're there. He anticipated their arrival and made his escape, causing his assailants to miss target. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here? Although, I'm not surprised that you think the already misleading title of 'hypersonic Jedi' is conservative. Given your attempts to claim magnagaurd-killers are vastly faster than light, and your willingness to ignore almost every credible dictionary's definition of Nanosecond, and how it's used in literature.
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That was during my mass trolling of forums, lol. Besides, I was doing it to get on DarkDefender's nerves.
Kenobi was being overwhelmed by Grievous' implusive and randomized attacks, though, and needed to shift his tactics to parrying his hand rather than his lightsabers for him to gain an advantage. So HK's statement is valid and I don't see why Kenobi, just because he has an incredible defense, would be an exception to the rule of "implusive and random counters precognition". And like I said: Kenobi was deflecting omnidirectional blaster fire, even accounting for precognition each shot would've been only miliseconds apart from the other, so Obi-Wan would've still needed to wave his hands fast enough to intercept all of them. And the speed needed to intercept all of them is, in fact, hypersonic.
Firstly, him "ramping up" the efficiency is Stover's fancy way of saying: his attacks got faster. Secondly, the narrative during that specific scene was clearly from Kenobi's point of view as it's describing how he simply is who he is and how his internal thought process of using his defense for an offense.
Jango didn't anticipate anyone, nor did he even see the shooters coming. Someone fired at him from behind, he ducked quickly enough to dodge the moment the shot was fired.
As for the MagnaGuard thing; again, that was during a mass-troll fest of mine particulary to tick off certain users, so you can quit attempting to ad hominem my old troll statements in order to try and de-face my current argument.
And the definition of nanosecond is: "A measure of time equal to one billionth of a second", so I don't know what you're getting at with me disregarding the definition of a word.
And yeah, suggesting Kenobi's reflexes are hypersonic really is conservative given how the RotS novel states he and Anakin both have a "respectable fraction of lightspeed" and shows them outmanuvering Tri-fighters opperating at lightspeed. Heck, even Leia and Luke, prior to any true formal Jedi training(Leia didn't even know she was Force-sensitive) have reacted to and flown their ships at comparable-to-lightspeed.
You know what's wrong with this post. As I told you a large section ( around 10,000 words ) of my post got deleted when it was all in a nice little bundle. You saw fit to take advantage of only the quotes being posted so I had to post as I went through your argument to prevent you from trolling the hell out of me even more then you already did. If you really are having trouble responding because of the formatting I can repost everything in two parts. I honestly would love it if I could do that now as I hate how messy and disorganized it is current but unfortunately the KMC system is utterly broken and doesn't allow you to edit your posts after 15 minutes.
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