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Originally posted by abhilegend
When I said it's not impressive outside of herald tier I meant that it has virtually zero feats beating someone outside herald tier. I don't know why that means I'm trolling though.


that's all you had to say. smile

and i agree, it doesn't have many feats aside from beating down heralds repeatedly, hence why i made the thread--partially to see if any were brought to light (very few have been so far, unfortunately) and to see how far up the ladder it could climb. its certainly more powerful than kurse, who was beating the hell out of bill and thor, clearly it's above hela. you said thor was in it so maybe it was more powerful? not sure about that. didn't thor toss the hammer aside at one point claiming he had no need of it because the destroyer's power was greater anyway? or something like that.... hela's not a skyfather but she's def a hell lord so i'd say that puts her somewhere near the middle maybe? in general. which would make the destroyer high trans imo. which is about where i place prime. i'm not sure i see prime ripping the armor apart tbh. do you think he could crush mjolnir in his hands?


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I was excited for the PF when I saw the scans Celey posted then you go and remind me that what the PF did wasn't as impressive as it looked.

Curse you Ahbi sad



PF destroyed Destroyer and then went on to get stalemating Odinson and Jane.

Go figure.


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that's all you had to say. smile

and i agree, it doesn't have many feats aside from beating down heralds repeatedly, hence why i made the thread--partially to see if any were brought to light (very few have been so far, unfortunately) and to see how far up the ladder it could climb. its certainly more powerful than kurse, who was beating the hell out of bill and thor, clearly it's above hela. you said thor was in it so maybe it was more powerful? not sure about that. didn't thor toss the hammer aside at one point claiming he had no need of it because the destroyer's power was greater anyway? or something like that.... hela's not a skyfather but she's def a hell lord so i'd say that puts her somewhere near the middle maybe? in general. which would make the destroyer high trans imo. which is about where i place prime. i'm not sure i see prime ripping the armor apart tbh. do you think he could crush mjolnir in his hands?

It really isn't impressive when it comes to above herald tier beings.

I disagree about SBP in trans tier. He is absolutely skyfather level in raw power. Just look at Sodam Yat, he has Ion and then absorbs the power of hundreds of GL rings to fight Prime.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-flhP41-fn...s1600/25_02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jhMjbHVeO...s1600/25_03.jpg

He is beaten alongside entire Legion casually.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIbl...s1600/25_22.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmX...s1600/25_24.jpg

Even after he was essentially going bloodlusted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xvykCIyzH...s1600/26_08.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fRlDCyEdg...s1600/26_12.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-udDYJXyqk...s1600/26_16.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BB62yxozu...s1600/26_18.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--6Xk7pCDJ...s1600/26_21.jpg

Again three versions of Legion along with Sodam pile on SBP and they get his asses kicked.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5xOm3JNjR...s1600/26_27.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1UghjOT_9...s1600/26_28.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZrYZFul7...s1600/27_02.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smpo-vFnO...s1600/27_03.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0JG6X_F1c...s1600/27_04.jpg

Destroyer would be a pile of scrap under such power.

Heck he overpowered Superman, Andromeda and M'onel while two cosmic boys tried to restrain him and he was drained by Sun Boy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V2kOyS9ud...s1600/25_20.jpg

And then went on to destroy three shields created by Brainiac fives after being further drained by Shadow Lass. Not even Time Trapper or Mordru has ever broken one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIbl...s1600/25_22.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZuzVO-fW...s1600/25_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmX...s1600/25_24.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g2F7D1eZ3...s1600/25_25.jpg

Nobody short of a skyfather has a chance against SBP in a straight up fight. You have to lowball every single character in Legion, Superman, Green Lanterns etc to even argue SBP is a trans tier.


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Can you prove otherwise?
Garm in the Destroyer armour almost beat him to death without the disintegration beam, but it's finger beams did cut through Mjolnir and he then used it to batter Thor which then cracked the mallet in half

Thor #476


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
Garm in the Destroyer armour almost beat him to death without the disintegration beam, but it's finger beams did cut through Mjolnir and he then used it to batter Thor which then cracked the mallet in half

Thor #476

Almost kill Thor? That's a lot of hyperbole there.

Destroyer even ran from Thor and Thunderstrike there.


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I'm curious. What is the general take on this panel?
Stating that the Destroyer armor has sufficiently provided enough protection/power to "face universal armageddon itself".

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No more useful than when it was stated to be tough enough to survive a supernova.


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That's called hyperbole.


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No more useful than when it was stated to be tough enough to survive a supernova.


What? In the supernova case it was useful to know it could survive a supernova?

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Odin is wearing a onesie


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Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm curious. What is the general take on this panel?
Stating that the Destroyer armor has sufficiently provided enough protection/power to "face universal armageddon itself".

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it sure it strong enough to face universal Armageddon itself. It just does not mean that it will win smile

But yeah, sometimes as readers we just have to weed out certain statements or even feats that are abnormal. In this case, it's clear the statement is hyberbole


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It's most likely a reference to Ragnarok which the Asgardians technically consider as "universal armageddon". Not literally universal destruction.

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Odin is wearing a onesie
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Almost kill Thor? That's a lot of hyperbole there.

Destroyer even ran from Thor and Thunderstrike there.
lol under different circumstances you'd agree that Thor almost got killed, then Thunderstrike plus Thor almost got handled in the next comic if it weren't for mind games. Be consistent


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Originally posted by abhilegend
It really isn't impressive when it comes to above herald tier beings.

I disagree about SBP in trans tier. He is absolutely skyfather level in raw power. Just look at Sodam Yat, he has Ion and then absorbs the power of hundreds of GL rings to fight Prime.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-flhP41-fn...s1600/25_02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jhMjbHVeO...s1600/25_03.jpg

He is beaten alongside entire Legion casually.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIbl...s1600/25_22.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmX...s1600/25_24.jpg

Even after he was essentially going bloodlusted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xvykCIyzH...s1600/26_08.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fRlDCyEdg...s1600/26_12.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-udDYJXyqk...s1600/26_16.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BB62yxozu...s1600/26_18.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--6Xk7pCDJ...s1600/26_21.jpg

Again three versions of Legion along with Sodam pile on SBP and they get his asses kicked.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5xOm3JNjR...s1600/26_27.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1UghjOT_9...s1600/26_28.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZrYZFul7...s1600/27_02.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smpo-vFnO...s1600/27_03.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0JG6X_F1c...s1600/27_04.jpg

Destroyer would be a pile of scrap under such power.

Heck he overpowered Superman, Andromeda and M'onel while two cosmic boys tried to restrain him and he was drained by Sun Boy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V2kOyS9ud...s1600/25_20.jpg

And then went on to destroy three shields created by Brainiac fives after being further drained by Shadow Lass. Not even Time Trapper or Mordru has ever broken one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIbl...s1600/25_22.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZuzVO-fW...s1600/25_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmX...s1600/25_24.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g2F7D1eZ3...s1600/25_25.jpg

Nobody short of a skyfather has a chance against SBP in a straight up fight. You have to lowball every single character in Legion, Superman, Green Lanterns etc to even argue SBP is a trans tier.
I like how GL rings literally freak the f*ck out when they encounter Prime:

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laughing out loud


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As for the thread, Prime wins.


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
Romphim lol under different circumstances you'd agree that Thor almost got killed, then Thunderstrike plus Thor almost got handled in the next comic if it weren't for mind games. Be consistent




Destroyer actually ran from Thor and Thunderstrike.

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But tell me where I said Destroyer almost killed Thor?


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Originally posted by Galan007
I like how GL rings literally freak the f*ck out when they encounter Prime:

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laughing out loud


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As for the thread, Prime wins.

But versatility bro, versatility.


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Destroyer actually ran from Thor and Thunderstrike.

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But tell me where I said Destroyer almost killed Thor?
looks like he was told to flee by his queen.


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looks like he was told to flee by his queen.

I wonder why.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by abhilegend
It really isn't impressive when it comes to above herald tier beings.

I disagree about SBP in trans tier. He is absolutely skyfather level in raw power. Just look at Sodam Yat, he has Ion and then absorbs the power of hundreds of GL rings to fight Prime.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-flhP41-fn...s1600/25_02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jhMjbHVeO...s1600/25_03.jpg

He is beaten alongside entire Legion casually.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIbl...s1600/25_22.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmX...s1600/25_24.jpg

Even after he was essentially going bloodlusted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xvykCIyzH...s1600/26_08.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fRlDCyEdg...s1600/26_12.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-udDYJXyqk...s1600/26_16.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BB62yxozu...s1600/26_18.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--6Xk7pCDJ...s1600/26_21.jpg

Again three versions of Legion along with Sodam pile on SBP and they get his asses kicked.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5xOm3JNjR...s1600/26_27.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1UghjOT_9...s1600/26_28.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZrYZFul7...s1600/27_02.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smpo-vFnO...s1600/27_03.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0JG6X_F1c...s1600/27_04.jpg

Destroyer would be a pile of scrap under such power.

Heck he overpowered Superman, Andromeda and M'onel while two cosmic boys tried to restrain him and he was drained by Sun Boy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V2kOyS9ud...s1600/25_20.jpg

And then went on to destroy three shields created by Brainiac fives after being further drained by Shadow Lass. Not even Time Trapper or Mordru has ever broken one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIbl...s1600/25_22.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZuzVO-fW...s1600/25_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmX...s1600/25_24.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g2F7D1eZ3...s1600/25_25.jpg

Nobody short of a skyfather has a chance against SBP in a straight up fight. You have to lowball every single character in Legion, Superman, Green Lanterns etc to even argue SBP is a trans tier.

Glorith with the power of Time Trapper couldn't break one force field created by Brainy.

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That's how powerful it is. And Mordru?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Mordru orchestrates Mysa to gain full power since he was drained by Darkseid. He also gives her enough strength to oneshot J'onn.

https://s6.postimg.org/5lkpasx9t/LSH43-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/w827ww7sh/LSH43-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/8v8rs4h2p/LSH44-07.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/3rhi3x5yp/LSH44-08.jpg


Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.

https://s6.postimg.org/l0xz2ivsh/LSH44-09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/gmfuftpip/LSH44-10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/f8o7kiq9d/LSH44-11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/lmickw1gx/LSH46-01.jpg

Mordru vs Legion and Amethyst. Mordru casually tosses forces of entire stars at legion and defeats Legion+Amethyst. He is beaten when Devilon reflects his own power at Mordru.


https://s6.postimg.org/6f2d0j9m9/LSH47-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/tuka5vtdd/LSH47-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/pmphx4rxt/LSH47-19.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/pnzfqjtrl/LSH47-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/9e99nnj3l/LSH47-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/opj2o9gfl/LSH47-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ebrfmiagh/LSH47-23.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ft8akbptd/LSH47-24.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/qilzcl1m9/LSH48-02.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.org/ygkzrz4a9/LSH48-04.jpg
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Beastly.


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just to add a different perspective:

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's axe out of any weapon would be able to scratch the Destroyer*. It is enchanted to cut through Celestials specifically as we all know but for some context as how it is viewed by Jason Aaron, it easily cut through Apocalypse:
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Thor:
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And even damaged a fed Galactus:
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Plus some other showings in Hickman's Avengers.

On top of that being a hostless Destroyer which as we know can significantly weaken it. So the Destroyer being slightly harmed by an all out strike from a pissed off Thor directly at it's body is evidence as to why it would laugh off Superman's attack, not evidence of it's injury.

The underlined part is retarded. Here is the scan for those wondering:
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It is from Journey into Mystery #628. This was the same writer that had the collective demon horde of Marvel shitting their pants, the Serpent's Fear power allowing Mephisto to basically become the Lucifer of the Marvel Multiverse at the thought of facing the Serpent and repeatedly stress as to how unbeatable the Serpent was. I suggest people read the story arc and look at the lengths required to beat the Serpent (It took the shadow of Twilight for reality warping, Surtur destroying Dark Asgard, Thor with the Odin-Sword in combat {That's two Universal-Multiversal level plot devices plus a high end Hell Lord} and a bunch of other bullshit and tricks like the Fear and Hell Lords siphoning off his power IIRC). This all happened concurrently in Journey into Mystery and The Mighty Thor for those who are curious and want to double check anything as I don't have my issues on hand. The fact that it's even mentioned in a thread with Superman as a low showing is mind-blowing. Especially since it's a base level Destroyer.

*If you can even call it damage and for some context here is the entire fight, including it shrugging off a complete assault from both the axe and Mjolnir, the Scarlet witch, Karnilla herself, Frigga etc:
https://ibb.co/dpssja
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https://ibb.co/nz17Hv
https://ibb.co/i8JXja
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The kind of logic you would need to use that issue as evidence of Superman even scratching the armor.....


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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Why? It'd be extremely easy to make a solid case for the Destroyer spanking Prime's ass depending on the host.

If it was some average Joe or something, Prime would get my vote by maybe throwing him away really far or something in a huge emotional tantrum but if you put someone like Thor or Superman in it, a hero with experience and powerful spirit, he gets his ass spanked. Prime is powerful but he's also very weak willed mentally and is facing something in the same tier of strength/durability as him but with a lot more versatility, no pain, ability to heal from even complete annihilation and the potential to get very powerful (The Destroyer can absorb energy to increase it's power). I could easily see Prime getting incredibly frustrated, scared or just straight up freaked out from facing the Destroyer. The dude doesn't deal well with being on the receiving end as we've seen a few times. You don't even need to knock out Prime to beat him.

If someone wants to lowball, Prime has worse showings despite the Destroyer appearing for 50+ years now.


i tend to agree with him. still convinced this would be a helluva fight. /shrug


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