CaV: SOR Revan(DarthAnt66) vs Darth Plagueis(i_like_swords) Started by: DarthSkywalker0
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Jaggarath
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
The text made clear that, from Sidious' perspective, Plagueis was confident in his invincibility and simply chose to replenish himself with midichlorian manipulation rather than defend himself.
Doesn't answer my question.
Please explicitly state whether or not you think Plagueis choose to die rather than offensively attack Sidious with MM.
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Nov 14th, 2018 07:29 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Jaggarath
Doesn't answer my question.
Please explicitly state whether or not you think Plagueis choose to die rather than offensively attack Sidious with MM.
Oh, okay:
quote: you're arguing Plagueis choose to die rather than use midichlorian manipulation offensively against Palpatine?
No, I did not make that argument.
Nov 14th, 2018 07:29 PM
Jaggarath
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Why do you think Plagueis didn't use MM offensively against Sidious, then?
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Nov 14th, 2018 08:28 PM
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Who knows?
Nov 14th, 2018 08:34 PM
Jaggarath
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Do you think there's at least a 25% possibility it's because MM isn't effective against a being more powerful / with greater willpower?
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Nov 14th, 2018 08:36 PM
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I'd need to see some evidence for that.
Nov 14th, 2018 08:42 PM
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> Anyone brings up something Revan can't handle
Ant: Do you know he has good willpower?
Nov 14th, 2018 08:45 PM
Jaggarath
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
I'd need to see some evidence for that.
The fact Plagueis doesn't use it against Sidious suggests it's at least possibility, lol.
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Nov 14th, 2018 08:50 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Jaggarath
The fact Plagueis doesn't use it against Sidious suggests it's at least possibility, lol.
Why is that?
Nov 14th, 2018 09:04 PM
Jaggarath
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Because it's reasonable to think Plagueis would use his most OP weapon to destroy someone trying to kill him that he otherwise can't kill.
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Nov 14th, 2018 10:08 PM
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The guy could barely knock furniture over at the time so I don't see your point...?
Nov 14th, 2018 10:46 PM
Jaggarath
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Why not use it at the beginning?
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Nov 14th, 2018 10:48 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
The text made clear that, from Sidious' perspective, Plagueis was confident in his invincibility and simply chose to replenish himself with midichlorian manipulation rather than defend himself.
Nov 14th, 2018 11:05 PM
Jaggarath
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Yes, but "defend himself" can mean different things. "Defend himself" doesn't necessarily preclude counter-attack.
This is why I tried to clarify if you thought "defend himself" includes counter-attack by asking you that earlier question, but you basically said you don't think it includes counter-attack.
You seem to be contradicting yourself terribly or being unnecessarily utterly vague about your concludes for no reason, but maybe you can explain.
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Nov 14th, 2018 11:08 PM
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He stopped short of defending himself... As in he took on Sidious' lightning without shielding himself or fighting back. As stated in the book.
Nov 14th, 2018 11:35 PM
Jaggarath
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So then you’re contradicting yourself. Got it.
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Nov 14th, 2018 11:40 PM
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>dude deliberately doesn't defend himself against his attacker to prove he's invincible
>but he'd totally have killed his attacker ASAP to save himself if he could
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Where's the contradiction Ant?
Nov 14th, 2018 11:46 PM
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Nov 14th, 2018 11:57 PM
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I think ILS is saying that the alcohol gave him a sense of bravado that prevented Plagueis from making the smartest choices when it came to defending against Sidious's attacks.
Nov 15th, 2018 03:54 AM
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