That's fine. That's how we learn bro. There's a time for style and there's a time for learning.
Like Yoda says "You gotta fukking be wrong to fukking learn sometimes you do."
I might be wrong, but Conor is still weak though. I cranked out 5 reps of 170 strict overhead press after trying out 235 bench for 3x5. Which gives me hope to get back on the right track because I thought I'd struggle with 135 tbh. The last 2 reps of ohp weren't the greatest though; probably comparable to Conor's squats.
And I'm an atrophic jobless bum too. Now I'm going to try and work my way up to 2 plate OHP Jobless Bran, last time I fukked my shoulder up at work, but it looks like that's not an issue anymore. Anyway...
Conor didn't accomplish anything in the match to draw the conclusion that he could have won is the issue. He basically existed and offered some measure of resistance. He didn't look wildly faster on the feet, he wasn't landing huge shots, he wasn't shrugging off takedowns or even win the striking exchanges. Could he have done better? Sure. But there's a difference between looking better and winning. You're basically going back to before the fight happened to draw that conclusion. You might as well just scrap the fight entirely and say Conor could win on paper.
Some of my favorite fighters suck. Chael, Wand, Shogun, etc. When Conor in your own admission basically runs into takedowns and into the loving embrace of Khabib, that doesn't help show how great he is, nor does that mean I hate him.
I like Conor but he looked awful out there and he followed a retarded gameplan, and then when he did have his chance, he was too gassed/throwing little potshots at Khabib. I understand he's not Sea Level Cain on roids, but a little more effort after getting dominated would have been nice.
I used to hate Jones back when he was a phony and everyone denied it like their life depended on it, but now I'm a huge fan of him ever since he embraced being a huge scumbag.
The first Cormier fight is the first time I cheered for him. Ever since then he's been a goldmine of entertainment. Not sure if I want him to beat Gus since that forever keeps Gus out of the title picture, but I definitely want him to beat Cormier again.
How much do you weight? He's 5'9'' and let's say 165 lbs walking, I think he should bench more than the numbers thrown around, but then again I don't have the 'feats' for it.
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He's 177 walk around weight in training camp somewhere around 3 weeks away from the fight.
He's around 170 on fight day after dieting for 6 or so weeks and trying to regain all his water weight. Within 3 weeks of the fight they really start dieting.
Those first few weeks of training camp, Conor probably weighs 180 or so.
Khabib walks around at 195 or more in comparison. Imagine all the organ damage that goes on there.
Apparently I'm 190 which is shit. I was 210 when I was lifting seriously, and going up. I'm fairly small right now.
I'd wager Conor could bench a decent amount had he applied himself, but I think he stagnated himself by never focusing on it. He became good at moving what he can move, but never became good at moving more. There's no progressive overload with what he's doing.
Not saying he needs it of course, but if you're going to take him out of MMA and look at him in pure strength, he doesn't seem to have it.
I'd be really surprised if he could bench 200 once without working towards it. I think that's a pretty fair limit seeing as how he seems to be getting a workout from 135 with a super wide grip.
I just looked at Conor's vid again and I don't think I can bench like that anymore. Doesn't feel right. I started doing close grip on the rare time I bench where my hand is at the start of the knurling and it feels way more comfortable.
So...yeah. All this weight-cutting is taking quite the tool on the fighters.
210? Damn. Most I had was 205, but I was more [pre-Crisis] Gecko than Woodley.
I still can't see somebody in Conor's shape at 180 lbs bench-pressing that little. I'm not saying that he does 3x10 of 200, but I don't think his balls would drop for a few reps.
Think of Bran as the depowered Red Hulk, and it will all make sense. He's went from Loeb's Hulk from a few months ago to Jeff Parker's Hulk.
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Red Hulk vs Supergirl is one of the most discussed and overanalyzed fight in comic history.
If it wasn't for StylishThyme posting Conor with dudes on his back, I would have never started OHP'ing again. Changed my life. Red Hulk vs Supergirl never changed anyone's life.
Jesus Christ. I wonder how ****ing natural that is for these guys.
The shitty part about that is I slipped on a roof super hard and hurt my shoulder (next day a dude fell off the room and SHATTERED both his heels and still can't walk... 2 years later). So with less than a year of lifting I got to 275 bench for 2 reps, and 195 OHP. Never got back to that weight for bench or my actual weight.
Now that I'm not doing that whole working fad, and my shoulder and wrist feel good, and starting out 20 pounds less I think I can catch back up and surpass Gecko. Plus work would always set me back 5 pounds in a lift when I got back home. So hopefully I catch the motivation to balloon up. 240 with a beer gut is what we're shooting for.
You'd be surprised tbh. Lots of dudes have beach muscles. Him having issues with 135 make me question it.
I'd love to see what he flailed at but the guys knew what they were doing when they filmed him.
I would like for DC to smash Derrick, get a huge payday with Brock, smash Jones and ride off into the sunset personally. He seems like such a swell guy.
He definitely had success in that match that could have been better capitalized on. For example, Khabib literally had no answer for Conor's front kick. Didn't parry, no side step, no counter. Being that we've seen Conor's ability to manipulate distance, and Khabib's inability to kickbox compared to his competition, it's absolutely reasonable to think Conor could have done more here. Doesn't mean he autowins of course, which I said, but ignoring that just for this "Conor sucks" silliness is just silliness homes.
And none of those guys suck, unless you're limiting them exclusively to the end of their careers. Do I really need to explain why Wanderlei Silva was a great fighter?
Wait...of course, I don't. You already know he is. I suspect you are trolling me in a Mindset inspired fashion. I must commend you for pulling me in here. No joke.
In all honesty, that is still his problem. He'd be popular if he just embraced the heel role. Instead, he started talking about Jesus and being reformed. Fans see through it. He was hanging around GSP so long, he started to think he actually is the hero lol.
This is why UFC needs to stop dragging it's heels and switch the hydration testing...
They cut IV's but then kept the same model that will encourage old school weight cutting. It's like they want fighters to nearly die.
Either that, or someone stands to make more money under the current model. It's ****ed up when you think about it.
He threw like 4 and a quarter front kicks spread out over the first round. He could have did a lot more, but then so could Khabib. You're basically pretending the fight never happened and going back to on paper matchups. He could have also dropkicked Khabib and called his father a smelly Kunt too, but the problem is he didn't, and he didn't actually do much to indicate he was controlling the range and standup. Hell he got ****ing dropped when he did think he had his range found.
Those guys are terrible now.
And of course I'm judging them by their current status. I didn't become a Wanderlei fan because he fights once every 2 years.
"That Shogun who now has zero chin going for him? That's my favorite. I love the way he gets knocked out."
You're also taking it too literal, and also going off of something I said in the OTT. You're only trolling yourself. You realize where you are of course and you can look at any Thor thread for similar reactions. I'm not trying to troll you, you dug up something from another thread to accuse me of bias because I think Conor is as weak as a kitten (not literally). Basically, Conor is more suck than Conor showed chances of winning a rematch. So in terms of established facts, we'll go with a percentage here:
Conor = at least 50 percent suck
Conor = maybe 5 percent chance of winning a rematch based on what we saw
So by established facts, Conor is more suck than capable of winning. Ie, saying he can win a rematch is more bias than saying he sucks. So when you throw around bias accusations, I can cum right back in your face with that.
What it boils down to is you thinking I hate Conor because I said he sucks. Which is false. I like Conor; he is worse than I thought. I thought he'd either catch Khabib or get raped and get zero chances. But he got chances, and a decent amount of them, and he did fooking nothin wit dem.
Khabib gave him chances, and he still lost in that aspect.
It reminds me of an old saying:
"You can give an Irishman a sack of potatoes and he'll feed his family for week. But if you give an Irishman a bag of tainted potatoes, he'll feed his family for a week and then blame the British."
Of course I don't think he's the worst fighter ever, but considering your metric of "sucks" is saying Chael or current Wandy doesn't... I think we're always going to have an impasse about that word.
Also fighters hurting themselves to fit into weightclasses they don't belong is hilarious. UFC should be even more strict to see how bad it gets.
No, you see, there was more Conor could have done, but Khabib did all the normal Khabib stuff. Even the coaches said Conor threw out the gameplan. It's not like Khabib was actively stopping the attempts Conor actually made, which was my point. It's not like, say, the Barboza match.
And you said he sucks, which is categorically untrue. You're saying now that you were just being colorful. Okay, cool. Now that we know you were trolling for shits and giggles, we're cool. Nothing wrong with that. It's fun to **** around from time to time.
I never said current Wandy was good. Certainly not relative to his competition.
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There was more Conor could have done that we assume Khabib would have let him do?
Khabib stood with him for almost an entire round, let's not play the "coulda wooda" game. Khabib could have literally just held him down and gassed him out for 3 rounds and then unloaded on him for the simplest thing he could have done different. You can make up any sort of on paper scenario. Problem is, is that it ignores what actually happens in the fight.
"He trew ou da gameplan"
But that's assuming the gameplan would have worked in the first place. That's not a very good thing to base him winning a rematch over. We didn't get a basis to assume it would have worked. Like I said, might as pretendo the fight never happened.
Bro, this is what you're basing that off of in the Off Topic Thread. This is what you got worked up over enough that you had to say my hate was clouding my vision like the smoke in Conor's entrance.
Obviously I'm being colorful. I don't know what your metric of sucks is but he just got raped by Khabib with no vaseline. That's exactly what I said here. If you expect me to say Conor is the worst fighter ever... I will. Conor is garbage. Pretty mouth though.
That's still not filled with more bias than assuming Conor can or would win the rematch based off what we seen.
Current Wand sucks. Chael sucks but is better than Wand and Shogun. Conor sucks but is better than Chael. Different levels of sucking. When it comes to sucking, Conor is at the top.
There's more Conor would have done based on what we saw worked in the fight. He had moments of success that demonstrated there was another gameplan, then he just stopped. Your "hold him down for 3 rounds and gas him out plan" is exactly what Khabib tried to most of the match, as a I said. There wasn't much else he could have done differently. I'm not taking anything that didn't happen in the fight.
Saying Conor sucks because he lost to the number 1 lightweight in the world is definitely more biased than saying Conor, based on what we saw, could do more in a rematch, and potentially win.
Uh huh. "Based on what we saw work". Yeah those 4-5 attacks.
Khabib almost gassed himself out trying to finish a then at the time pretty uninjured Conor because Khabib was pissed off. Then he spent the next round unable to get a takedown because of that, while an also gassed Conor refused to throw any power behind his punches.
Khabib didn't have to go into that little rage though is the issue. We've seen him much more composed than that with a better gastank. What happens when Khabib doesn't punch the mat 100 times and instead just wears out Conor for the next two rounds? Just something simple like that would have sufficed.
That's not what I said though.
And if Conor can't follow the gameplan but instead iyo runs head first into the best grappler in the division, then that doesn't exactly help matters. Your entire defense is criticizing him for what he did wrong, which is pretty much the exact reason I'm saying he sucks = basis.
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