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AlbertoJohnAvil
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Furthermore, as was explained in this scan, Turtle, who also uses Speed Steal, demonstrated that the ability can be lethal if you use it to slow down bloodflow. He did this to four guards and put 3 into a coma and the 4th died becaise it caused his heart to explode. So even if Speed Stealong Superman's bloodflow doesnt kill him, it will certainly **** him up.

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Speed Steal can also be ised to slow brain function. So its pretty safe to assume that Flash Speed Stealong Superman's body, brain function, and bloodflow would put Supes at a major disadvantage. And again, every punce of kinetic energy Wally takes from his opponents instantly amps his speed and makes him more powerful. So while Superman's body, brain function, and bloodflow is slowed down, Wally is simultaneouly amped.
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So NO abhi, Wally's statement is MEANINGLESS. Wally has countless ways to kill superman with ease

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before anyone says "But Superman can vibrate too!", Wally has already proven that his connection to the Speed Force can cancel out the phasing of even someone like Martian Manhunter, and force them back to solid.

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And lets not forget, Wally phased through and destroyed the massively durable armor of an AMPED COIE Anti Monitor. He completely obliterated his armor via phasing. Mind you, Wally was weak and on the verge of collapsing at this time AND he just got done giving some of his Speed to Superman and the rest of the JL to amp them.

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So you�re using COIE as a base? You also know Supergirl did the same thing right?

Also, since your using COIE, that was a far weaker Anti that Barry did that too, where as Superman killed the most powerful Anti incarnation.

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While I think that if you gave me Wally or Barry's skills and experience, I could win, I'm not sure they would.

Superman would beat the living piss out of any other Flash than those two, though. Jay, Bart etc would get mauled.

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Wally and Barry should win

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? YOU were the one who said we needed the Flash with the 'best speed feats'......

Which means NOT the one or ones with the worst.

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So NO abhi, Wally's statement is MEANINGLESS. Wally has countless ways to kill superman with ease

DarkSaint just ejaculated a thousand of times and is currently in a coma, fully encased in a sperm cocoon.

You monster, why did you do it?

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DarkSaint just ejaculated a thousand of times and is currently in a coma, fully encased in a sperm cocoon.

You monster, why did you do it?

He did it so Darkstar would stop ejaculating on his face instead. Smart tactic by our friendo Roberto.

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What nonsense? That characters frequently give props that doesn't necessarily are truth?

In this case, those aren't props.

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LOL, Freeze Breath? Flash literally taught Supergirl how to counter freezing attacks and AZ by vibrating. Not only that, Flash can outrun it. He even casually outean Supes'heat vision.
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and first of all, Zoom dodnt counter Speed Steal by generating his own Speed. He did it because of his connection to the Forever Force, which allows him to speed himself up via Time Manipulation. It wasn't speed that let Zoom counter Speed Steal, it w as Time Hax. And you have to read the comics. Inertia didn't free himself from being Speed Stolen, Zoom did, again, via time Hax. -_'

What gibberish are you talking about? Captain Cold has beaten Flash multiple times using just cold gun.

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Waly can completely slow Superman to a stop via Speed Steal. Not to mention if Wally truly wanted to kill him, phasing his brain out of his head would certainly kill Supes.

No, he can't.

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proof of Zoom breaking Inertia out of Speed Steal via Forever Force/Time Hax:

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That's not some hax troll. Inertia just got the power to generate his own speed.

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Not really. Inertia had lost his power and was using Velocity 9 to artificially power himself up.

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As soon as his power returned, he was free from the speed steal.

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So ABHI your argument that Superman can counter Speed Steal via speed alone is debunked, especially since your 'evidence'to back your claim was using Zoom and Inertia, who didn't even counter it with Speed, but with Time Manipulation.

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Nonsense.

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Wally, cadually Speed Stealing Superman without even being near him.

^SEVERAL examples/instances of flash/flashes phasing through prime, and superman

And? Superman has already hit Flash while he was intangible.

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Even XS, a lower tier Speedste, phased through Superboy Prime who is >> Superman effortlessly.
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So with what I have proven about the Flashes being able to phase through Kryptonians, I see no reason why Wally cant phase through Superman and kill him like this, especially if Supes is already slowed to a stop via Speed Steal.

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First is when they were amped on a surge in speed force. Second is from JLA the nail, alternate reality.

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And lets not forget, Wally phased through and destroyed the massively durable armor of an AMPED COIE Anti Monitor. He completely obliterated his armor via phasing. Mind you, Wally was weak and on the verge of collapsing at this time AND he just got done giving some of his Speed to Superman and the rest of the JL to amp them.

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Ah yes, his highest feat ever. Let's see what's Superman's highest feat is, eh?

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Furthermore, as was explained in this scan, Turtle, who also uses Speed Steal, demonstrated that the ability can be lethal if you use it to slow down bloodflow. He did this to four guards and put 3 into a coma and the 4th died becaise it caused his heart to explode. So even if Speed Stealong Superman's bloodflow doesnt kill him, it will certainly **** him up.

Scan of Wally proving he can also slow down bloodflow via Speed Steal:
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Speed Steal can also be ised to slow brain function. So its pretty safe to assume that Flash Speed Stealong Superman's body, brain function, and bloodflow would put Supes at a major disadvantage. And again, every punce of kinetic energy Wally takes from his opponents instantly amps his speed and makes him more powerful. So while Superman's body, brain function, and bloodflow is slowed down, Wally is simultaneouly amped.
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So NO abhi, Wally's statement is MEANINGLESS. Wally has countless ways to kill superman with ease

Yeah, Superman is just a random human who can be beaten like that.

Sure....

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That doesn't negate the fact that Superman has said it. Wally saying it about Superman doesn't make it true, just like Superman saying it about MMH doesn't make it true.

Will keep repeating it as necessary.

I agree with this, sounds like a double standard if you accept one without the other.

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If the situation is like Superman Up In The Sky#4, Superman will ouspeed even Flash.

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In this case, those aren't props.

That's just your opinion.

In the same storyline, Wally is the fastest being in the entire Multiverse

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I agree with this, sounds like a double standard if you accept one without the other.

Who's denying it? J'onn was considered more powerful than Superman for one arc and he did beat Superman.

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That's just your opinion.

In the same storyline, Wally is the fastest being in the entire Multiverse

No, it's Wally's opinion.

Funny how you accept Wally saying it but reject his statement about Superman. Also speed is hardly auto win.

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Fernus =/= J'onn. Though Superman's statement was about J'onn, the one who beat Superman was Fernus.

And Clark has given J'onn lip service so many times, even as he was getting his ass beat by a guy Superman would later solo, that it's hilarious.

As for the thread, my opinion that Wally beats Supes is already well known.

edit: last part was in the wrong thread.

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Fernus =/= J'onn. Though Superman's statement was about J'onn, the one who beat Superman was Fernus.

And Clark has given J'onn lip service so many times, even as he was getting his ass beat by a guy Superman would later solo, that it's hilarious.

As for the thread, my opinion that Wally beats Supes is already well known.

edit: last part was in the wrong thread.

Its not an opinion which can be backed by comics. Because Flash is even worse than J'onn (several characters who beat Wally silly were later beaten by Superman). In fact I can make a case for J'onn being more powerful than Superman in certain arcs, there is never such an occasion for Flash.

The hypocrisy and selective bias for Flash just because he is fast is mind boggling.

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