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Originally posted by h1a8
1. You have to give feats of them matter manipulating stuff. Otherwise they don't have the ability and, most importantly, the propensity to do such. Also kryptonite from different universes don't work on Superman. And none of them know how to make kryptonite.
Terrible logic here.

2. You have to provide feats of them being able to drain energy out of a being. Without feats then this point is dead.

3. You have to provide feats of their TP abilities (members of the P5).

4. You have to provide proof that they can do this as well. Also you have to provide proof that they have the propensity to do it too.

5. They can just see Superman coming (assuming he purposely moves slow enough). This point makes absolutely no sense. You are terrible.



With that said, even if all your points are valid then none of them defeats the fact that each member would be a statue to Superman for a long time. Think of metro man. Do you really believe that someone frozen can actually beat anyone? You can't affect someone if
1. You don't know where they are
2. They don't give you the opportunity to act.
3. If you are always frozen to them.

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Originally posted by cdtm
Why? I gave an example of him absorbing the power of a high cosmic being, Meggadon. And of him KOing World Forger with a minor sun amp. Phoenix eats suns, meaning Superman would suck its power up like a milkshake through a straw.

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Originally posted by heru
Some are stronger than others, depending on their natural ability. None the less they're all on a cosmic level. A human with no super power will still be a threat to anyone less than cosmic. When bonded with a host, the Phoenix Force amplifies their abilities to incalculable levels. It can manipulate matter on a sub-atomic level and transmute elements, like turning wood to gold or stone to crystal. It can teleport others across space and open interdimensional_portals_to instantly access distant portions of the Universe. Now add all of the above to someone who already have super powers, and the problem becomes more than catastrophic. Those who believe Superman can win, off of just strength and speed are delusional. The abilities of the Phoenix are tailored made to exploit all of Superman Weaknesses.

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Originally posted by heru
Some are stronger than others, depending on their natural ability. None the less they're all on a cosmic level. A human with no super power will still be a threat to anyone less than cosmic. When bonded with a host, the Phoenix Force amplifies their abilities to incalculable levels. It can manipulate matter on a sub-atomic level and transmute elements, like turning wood to gold or stone to crystal. It can teleport others across space and open interdimensional_portals_to instantly access distant portions of the Universe. Now add all of the above to someone who already have super powers, and the problem becomes more than catastrophic. Those who believe Superman can win, off of just strength and speed are delusional. The abilities of the Phoenix are tailored made to exploit all of Superman Weaknesses.

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Originally posted by heru
All is proven based off of the abilities stated that a host is capable of doing. In case you didn't know what cosmic awareness means. It's the knowledge of knowing, about who or what is a possible threat to you before it happens. It's the prep without having the time factor of studying the threat. If Batman is able to take supes down, giving enough time, and he's a human with no powers. A cosmic being with cosmic awareness and abilities will rape Superman. They will know everything about him before he arrives on the scene, and he will know nothing about his opponent. Like I said he looses before the fight even began.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Again, you have to prove with feats. So far you have given nothing but speculation. Not only Prove that any of those Hosts can do the things you say but they have the propensity to do them (something you are leaving out).

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Originally posted by carver9
Do you think Superman can hold his own against this team and if you say yes, prove it WITH SCANS.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...x_zone__010.jpg

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Originally posted by carver9
Do you think Superman can hold his own against this team and if you say yes, prove it WITH SCANS.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...x_zone__010.jpg

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Originally posted by h1a8
Again, you have to prove with feats. So far you have given nothing but speculation. Not only Prove that any of those Hosts can do the things you say but they have the propensity to do them (something you are leaving out).

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Originally posted by heru
The proof is in the literature of the character who created it. Just read up on the character. I don't need to know feats to know what Superman is capable of, because his abilities are well known, and they're basic. Plus it's time consuming looking for feats when you can read up on the character. The abilities are not speculated, when it's documented that all host are granted the abilities of the force. The abilities of the force alone clearly trumps speed and strength. If both characters are written to there full potential, no favoritism, fanboyism, or popularity contest intended. Superman looses. If that's not clear enough then do your own research.

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Originally posted by heru
The proof is in the literature of the character who created it. Just read up on the character. I don't need to know feats to know what Superman is capable of, because his abilities are well known, and they're basic. Plus it's time consuming looking for feats when you can read up on the character. The abilities are not speculated, when it's documented that all host are granted the abilities of the force. The abilities of the force alone clearly trumps speed and strength. If both characters are written to there full potential, no favoritism, fanboyism, or popularity contest intended. Superman looses. If that's not clear enough then do your own research.

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Originally posted by h1a8
1. Without feats or evidence in the actual comics then any literature (which you haven't produced) holds no water. You have to prove through feats.
Telling someone to read up on a character isn't a defense to a claim.


2. You also have to prove propensity. You keep arguing only "ability" or "capability".

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Originally posted by heru
Dude Superman looses. That's the logical conclusion. To anyone who knows what both characters bring to the table. There's know feat or logic on superman part that would proof otherwise.