And Blue Marvel have better combat showings. FAR better combat showings. Now we are back at square one on which one is more important, space cheese fts or combat showings.
They both have their place. Pr has ruled more than once I think that there is no such thing as space cheese feats. Carver, you would do well to remember that. Just a friendly and ominous sounding warning
I dont do that though. I primarily debate using fights. When someone mentions space cheese showings, that's when I throw them out. You do know Hulk destroyed a Universe, walked through an attack that was destroying reality AND nearly overpowered a being whom presence was ripping reality apart and i STILL don't mention it. He also have fts of destroying a machine that could defeat the entire Celestial race and was outright said by the smartest man in Marvel that he is more powerful than a being that could kill the entire Celestial race. Beyonder said Hulk power have no limit. Like, it becomes unfair when we talk about him but again, I stick with battles. Ignoring those, Hulk is Abstract. His weaker forms.
"Space cheese" has always seemed like such a copout to me. Most people just use that term to try and handwave away any high-end showings they don't like.
Outliers that holds no weight on what an opponent can do in a fight. Example of this is Terrax who hung in a Black hole (while weakened mind you) and withstood it with no problems at all. Crushed a planet with a simple swing. In a fight against someone who doesn't come close to having power output that even match those showings, like, let's say Black Adam - people, including myself would give Adam the edge and completely ignore the things Terrax have endured and also dished out. Fights are what matter. People only pay attention to cheese fts when it suits them.
I say it depends on how many appearances a character has.
The more popular a character (or more accurately, the more appearances they have) the more "space cheese" should take precedence over "fights".
Why? Because they start to get jobbed out to the new flavours of the week. When Grail first appeared, she took on the entire League, was owning an amped WW etc....
Now she's not at that level.
When Zoom first appeared, he was casually blocking a bloodlusted Wally with one hand.
Now? Liberty Belle, Batman etc have had their moments with Zoom.
Onto Marvel. Voidtry gets sucked off by Fat Cobra. Proxima gets outmanoeuvred by random Wakandans. Low showings? Yes - but that's my point. The more they appear in mainstream comics, the more they - especially the powerful characters - have to job so that lazy writers can continue to churn out stories with them struggling.
But we still know that Zoom is fast. That Voidtry is powerful. Because their "space cheese" is still valid.
Space cheese fts are relevant but not as relevant as you all make it out to be. Spiderman has survived the ultimate nullifier and he would still lose against Wolverine. Lol... people cling to space cheese fts because they have nothing else. This is why I make threads asking for fights because 9 times out of 10, I know they don't exist. When these people fight that have pretty good space cheese fts, they look just as normal as any other Herald. There are a very few number of characters that have both. Thanos and Hulk are good examples of beings who have both.
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