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I'm kinda hurry, so i'll be brief, "no legalize", Governments should just put more emphasis against "hard" drugs and traffic inside their own countries. Please don´t lok at this as a "economy" or "market" problem,.
BTW the "bloodbath in Samoa is legal so legalize 1 homicide in a lifetime doesn't work for me"
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No, you gotta use the propaganda slogans from when it was first banned:
Marihuana: It could make a black man look at a white woman twice! It could make your children fall under the influence of....Jazz!!!!
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Well they are obeying "market laws" in order to make profits, I mean if you want to eliminate Hard ones don't pay attention to those "laws" To the above poster, for example if you are referring to substances like alcohol I agree that is harmful but I consume it.
I didn't have anything against pot, but if it it's legal States would be involved in the profist and then the s""t will start flowing.
and your kids will start forgetting where they put things!!!!!!
IS THIS WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR CHILDREN!!?!?? TO SPEND ENDLESS
HOURS LOOKING FOR THE TV REMOTE!?!?!
Gender: Unspecified Location: Uruguay, montevideo
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read Burroughs' Naked Lunch (smoke some pot too like I did) and later discuss how to fight or deal with drugs, later if you want buy some LSD from C.........I.........A.
When I said "no legalize" I didn't mean to go straight and prosecute every pot dealer in USA, if some fascist arrives to this thread hunt him but i'm far from that
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Legalise it!
When will governments realise that you CAN’T make a “thing” go away by making it illegal. It’ll just be dangerous. Goes for abortions, goes for drugs. The American Prohibition should be all the argument it takes. Look at what it did for organised crime.
Did people STOP drinking alcohol during Prohibition?
Do people abstain from having abortions in countries where it’s illegal?
Do people abstain from smoking weed if it’s illegal?
If you answered “no” to the above three questions you’ll see, that it’s not he “the law” that’s the answer. Educate, educate, EDUCATE!!!!
The fact that people are in our prisons show, that punishment is not a deterrent against any crime.
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Yeah, and it helps.....................a bit. Banning weed and other drugs doesn't stop people using them, not should they,
Yeah I still think it should be allowed because I realise that banning everything on behalf of me seeing certain people suffer wouldn't be good. It all depends to what level you love other people. I could give a shit about anyone who doesn't matter to me.
No I'm not missing the point. Literally yes they have the ability. However, NOBODY has the born right to tell me that I cannot do something with my body that has no effect on anyone else but myself, they just don't. Whether you like it or not, they don't. Crime would exist with or without drugs, legalising all drugs would cut down alot of crimes severely. I'm knowing that it will never happen because of societal views on "drugs" and many other reasons. I'm just saying it should because it's nobody elses choice. Yeah, that's exactly right, if someone wants to shoot themselves, they should be able to. It's not your place to intervene. It only costs money when you make the effort to poke your nose in.
Which is why there's alot of crime also. People should be allowed to do whatever they want, when they want to with regards to drugs. No amount of topic swerving will get you to the point that I agree with you because nobody has the right to decide things for me, but me.
Yeah, I'm Jesus you know.
But seriously, no it's not. If you believe for one second that his opinion of what I can and cannot take regarding drugs, is important to the point that he can actually influence what I take, I've given you too much credit. Having some massive love for protecting people is nice and all, but like you said, some people don't want to. You say all drugs can't be legalised because some people don't want to, well I don't want to be protected by you or the goverment concerning drugs, so back off.
Don't confuse ideal with perfect. Drugs aren't "bad", first of all. Yeah, they DO exist. Everyone should be able to do what they want with them, not be restricted coz you're a bit worried about humans.
...and who the Hell are you to decide what's better for me? This is why you're going wrong. You clearly have some deluded sense of involvement here. It's none of your business what happens to me concerning drugs, stick to controlling your own life, not mine or anyone else.
Well when he's dead the taxes on his drug abuse aren't gonna go up anymore.
You are going so far off point it's unreal. You're being so selfish and unselfish in one swoop. Taxes for unfair things are paid anyway. That has nothing to do with anything. Drugs should be legalised because as I keep trying to make you understand:
A) It's no one elses decision and B) Drugs aren't the problem. The way they are dealt is. Drugs could be making alot of money for the government, just like cigarettes and alcohol. Except those drugs are "ok" so they're allowed. It's all the other drugs, including the excellent drugs, that we're not allowed. Well BS to that.
Yeah so is that what it comes down to? You basically agreeing with all those things but the only reason you don't is because society loses money over it? Quite ridiculous. There IS no reason to ruin lives because of it but we can't stop it and it's also one of the freedoms that comes with choice. You're just trying to keep what you like and deny what you don't. If people wanna kill themselves with illegal drugs then so be it, right? Sure it's not fair on their loved ones but what are ya gonna do, right? Who are we to tell them they can't do it?
Why allow those too? BECAUSE people want to use them and on that particular subject, Mr. You don't get it do you, it's NO ONE else choice. What I take into my body, legal or illegal, has absolutely nothing to do with you and you have no right or influence over it, not should you.
So what if you don't understand it? Doesn't mean they're all wrong. Pull your head out.
If I have a reason (me wanting to) to use drugs that could harm me, and do, what does it matter? Just answer me that. Why in the Hell do you have the right to get yourself involved in what I do to my own body? I don't care if you don't like it. It's mine.
I'm all for legalising weed, it actually lowers the drug uses from other drugs... Its accepted its a good alternative and it doesn't hurt you... Why they won't legalise this i just don't understand.
You know that the hard drug use here has dropped significantly, a 9% drop of addicts in rehabilitation houses, and a 62% drop in the amount of people that go there... It works.
Tobad you live in a democracy isn't it? What people do affects you, letting people do things that would hurt them or society hurts all of you, this has absolutly nothing to do with those people that use them, if they wouldn't hurt others i wouldn't care either. But they do.
Yeah legalising drugs makes crime rates drop and pretty fast... Proven fact works here.. Still these are drugs that are pretty cheap and don't hurt you. How about those other drugs that do hurt you, that are expensive? If you sell them at every coffee shop you would get a lot more crime in those area's. Somebody on Crack, or XTC has a very different reaction to things then somebody smoking weed.. Personally i am all for the last but the other two just make things annoying for a lot more people then just them.
Then you are in favour of an Anarchy afterall.. You want to decide everything for yourself? then your in the wrong country... Pure and simple the goverment has those rights because its their responsibility to protect you. Now banning weed will hardly protect you, it will only make things worse, but there are other situations in which it will actually help you... A lot.
You live in a democratic country don't you?
Have a poll and see how people feel. Wanna bet that people still feel that the goverment should protect them against certain dangers.
Why the hell not? It hurts more then just them, thats why i care... Thats the only reason i care... If they were the only one's affected i wouldn't give a shit. But their not.
My life involves drug users, i have every right to worry about it.
Well seeing as we pay his funeral...
Yeah we pay taxes for unfair things, but why make them higher? Why hurt an entire civilasation because some people want to use drugs? Why make the majority suffer for the minority?
Look i already said i'm for legalising some drugs, and yes i know the goverment is a hypocrite ***** in allowing some things and not others, and i know a lot of money can be made in taxes, but not enough. We would still end up paying more. The Mayority would still suffer. Now with just pot they wouldn't becuase it doesn't hurt anybody...
No i don't disagree with all of those things because of money, money is still a very important factor though. The fact is it would hurt society... Nobody living in a democratic country can actually say they are for hurting the mayority just because the minority wants it. In some cases it is the person his choice. But if a person wants to do things that hurt him when there are great alternatives out there then that person is an idiot and the goverment should not have to end up taking care of that person. Spending money and time on it...
Now i know keeping them illegal won't make those hard drugs go away, but soft drugs like weed will make them dissapear, or make a lot of it dissapear.
When more people then just you are affected your damn right its their choice, like i said before in a democracy the mayority should not suffer under a minority... Not in matters that can be avoided by taking perfectly normal none damaging alternatives.
Oh no i completly understand your point, i just completly do not agree.
Because its costing me and everybody else time and money, becuase you are hurting other people besides you. Thats why, look if it really didn't hurt anybody else i really wouldn't give a shit.. Go ahead and do whatever you want, but it does.
And what in hells name gave you the right to hurt other people because you want to do something without any real reason when there are better alternatives?
What gives you that right? And don't say its my body, because it affects more then just that
*sigh* That commercial still gives me a chuckle, thinking about all the times me and my friends talked about "Hey man, let's hop in the car and run some kids over and crash into a tree!!"
Yeah, that's all very well and good, but it doesn't cure the whole world. There should still be a point where people are allowed to take what they want.
No, it doesn't "hurt" me. Let's be realistic here. The positives of letting people take whatever they want outweigh the negatives, but as a result of the negatives being strong, it won't happen. Which doesn't really make me lose sleep but I still think they should all be legalised.
I know loads of crack addicts and lots of them dwell where I live. They're ****ed up, they're not hurting anyone. You can't say "You can't take those drugs and do what you want because it's annoying to me." That's not good at all.
Holy cow, can you keep on topic for a second? Did you just completely overlook where I said "with regards to drugs"? Jeez man. Read my posts. They have no right to protect me from taking things into my body that will harm me and me alone, that's not their choice.
Certain dangers? People are afraid of drugs because they're conditioned to be afraid of drugs. The vote will always be against them.
Well you have actual proof that EVERYONE who takes a drug OTHER than marijuana hurts people under the influence? People beat their wives when they're drunk...ban beer? No. Not everyone goes mad when they are drunk though. You're generalising and it's not working out.
Yeah, about those particular drug users. I don't, so changing laws according to you isn't gonna do me any good is it?
If you really value cash this much and it's cash that is forcing you to put restrictions on personal freedom in DRUG USE, shoot yourself. Seriously.
Taxes are getting higher all the time, while we're going hog wild why not just bump up...you know, everyone's PERSONAL FREEDOM. Why make the drug users suffer for the minority? They want to use drugs and if they're caught using them, even if they're not hurting anyone, they can often be sent to jail. What the Hell is up with that? Exactly. Don't give me that crap about how the government cares, they care about their pockets filling, nothing else. "You're using something we're trying to protect us.....I mean...YOU from. Go to jail." Yeah, real compassionate.
In a world where taxes rise all the time, if it's rising taxes VS personal freedom, guess which one I'm going with?
Oh give it a rest. If the person wants to do things out there and not take the alternatives, then that's his/her choice. That's why they're alternatives, because they are what you COULD do. Don't wanna waste money? Then here's an idea, DON'T. Simple, just simple.
Not really. Because you need to realise drug users don't work in steps. Smoking weed doesn't satisfy your drug appetite totally. If you smoke weed it doesn't guarantee you won't go out and try coke or heroin. It doesn't guarantee you WILL....but it certainly doesn't stop it.
Wake up anytime soon. The majority suffers because of Government anyway. Surely you know this. Get off your high horse man, damn. ALTERNATIVES are what you CAN take. Not what you HAVE to take. That's why they are alternatives. An alternative to abortion is having the kid, does the mother now have to? No. Think.
Then stop spending the time and money on other peoples rightful choices. Have your government stop doing it and realise that it's not up to them to make that decision, voila. Unless it's YOU who PERSONALLY cares about these people, in which case you should be letting them do what they want anyway.
Because you give me alternatives, therefore I have a choice. The only reason it affects more is coz the government LET it.
Anyway, I think we understand where each other are coming from. No reason to keep essaying back and forth.
Self-Centered? Says the person who wants to stop others doing something they choose to do purely because of what they believe. I'm the one being selfless here. I'm not trying to restrict others based on my own petty beliefs. You care for anyone and everyone, good luck with that Mother Teresa. However, they don't care about you. Care for them? Then let them do what they want to do.
I remember something a bunch of kids in one of my classes said about legalizing marijuana....now, keep in mind that this is a bunch of college kids who smoke weed that said this. Legalize it, tax it, and use the taxes to pay for public schools.
I see no real reason why it should be illegal, the only reason smoking weed, or doing ANY drug, is such a big deal is because it IS illegal and it is human nature to want to do something you're not allowed to. Plus the penaties for it are ridiculous...if you get a drug conviction in the US, you can't apply for federal aid or grants to help pay for college (which is disgustingly expensive). However, if you've murdered someone, you still are eligible for aid and grants. Does that make any sense? Not to me....
so by your logic alcohol should be illegal then?
oh i cant wait to hear your well thoughtout reply...or lack of
quick!!! run away!!! dont let yourself succumb to logic!!!!!!
Kid Rock, when is that ever going to happen? Hahaha. Never.
When is a drunk gonna try to drive and rob some family of their son, daughter, mother, father? Soon, possibly today.
When is someone gonna die of lung cancer due to smoking tobacco? Today.
Besides, in the instance KidRock gave, Marijuana isn't the killer. The crash is. He didn't die when he smoked the joint, he died when the semi-hit his car.
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Kid Rock Bus Bust: Drugs Found, But Rock Not Aboard
10/21/2002 3:00 PM, LAUNCH
Billy Altman
(10/21/02, 3 p.m. ET) -- Drugs were found on Kid Rock's tour bus by police after his West Palm Beach gig opening for Aerosmith on Sunday (October 20), but the rap-rocker was not on the bus at the time. The bus was pulled over on the Florida Turnpike just hours after the band performed.
The St. Lucie County Sheriff's detective and the Florida Highway Police pulled the bus over on a tip from a motorist. They found a marijuana cigarette and a small amount of cocaine aboard the vehicle.
Driver Jeffrey Paul McCardle and one passenger, Kevin Joseph McMahon, who identified himself as Rock's personal assistant, were aboard the bus, according to the arrest affidavit by arresting officer Detective Bill Hardman. After a search, McMahon was charged with possession of cocaine, possession of under 20 grams of marijuana, and possession of drug paraphernalia. He was released on $16,000 bond.
The cocaine was found in McMahon's front pocket, and a search of the bus by a drug-sniffing dog yielded paraphernalia, a briefcase that contained a joint, rolling papers, and $3,717 in cash. McMahon told police that all the drugs found on the bus were his.
The bus was en route to Nashville where Kid Rock and the Twisted Brown Trucker band had flown after the West Palm Beach show.
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